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I've worked on a factory shop floor all my working life, i work a 3 shift system, and I'm a member of a trade union, I class myself as working class. And yet neither myself or any one of my colleagues who expressed an opinion voted for Corbyn. When I expressed this to my Corbyn voting...

The way the wind is blowing IS public opinion. You listen to it and act accordingly. The alternative would see the tail wagging the dog, which is unlikely to win an election. Boris declared he would get Brexit done. He also said he would get a vaccine rolled out. And he has delivered on both...

I could never vote for someone that small (I'm heightist) And those legs are sooo skinny. He's having to take massive strides to keep up with the other guy, who's hardly moving!!!

I think he's just being honest and accepting there are issues that need to be faced up to. It's pointless trying to win elections when your in turmoil Internally, and still living in denial. There's definitely room for left leaning politics, but maybe not so left as momentum would wish. imho.

I'm starting to feel uncomfortable agreeing with you so much !!!

But the Brexit party split the tory vote. It would of been a 100+ seat majority had it not been for the votes lost to them. (as claimed by a number of statisticians at the time, but you know how statistics can say anything you want)

That could be good news for labour. Something has to change for them, they cant just plod on losing one seat after another. Sooner or later they will have to make the tough decisions and turn themselves around. I just wonder if KS is the type of strong personality to do it.

Allegedly. He has denied it. And like the issue over who paid for the wallpaper, the voters arnt interested. As indicated in today's results. In fact if anything, its made labour look a bit pathetic, if that's all the headway they can make in such trying times.

I think that's far too simplistic an outlook. The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour. If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.

The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage. It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!

BINGO!

Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier. Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.

How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!

How Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?

I bet you honestly cant understand why labour are failing can you. I bet your genuinely suprised by today's results.

I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party. Kinnock had to do it with the militant tendency, and now Starmer has to do it with...

Your forgetting that Max has Two left feet. Two has got to be better than one!

The one common denominator that causes all of these political ideologies to fail is human greed.

Most of them for all but the last month of the season.

Sisu