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i think every City fan who travelled to Villa that day knew what they were potentially letting themselves in for in terms of treatment and reception from both the locals and the police. It was a different era to now. There was a significant proportion of city fans actively up for trouble, or at...

"i'd like to think" is hardly a concrete case for our fan's innocence.... We're no different.... we'd have been all over them had they been in the same situation. I'm not knocking it, i'd have been front of the queue. "not many decent football fans take delight at other club's...

A 4-page thread appeared on their forum overnight about Cov..... although they honestly "don't care because whoever goes up is coming straight back down to be replaced by Sunderland in 12 months....."

This is my point.... and we're supposed to be aghast that Villa mocked us being relegated.... it comes with the territory. We'd have done exactly the same.

Surely we have to look to Sunderland fans to provide an impartial barometer on this one.... Although since they got bullied by Luton they've decided that they are also "tinpot" and "scum"

I dunno, the train i was on contained hundreds of city fans and there wasn't much encouragement needed to go over there and be hostile from the very outset.

There's a full preview on local BBC news tonight apparently... They were briefly talking about it last night, i noticed it on the tv in the gym. I wouldn't read too much into a local news programme being pro-Luton..... its hardly an in-depth analysis and they're not exactly going to put up...

Tbf neither set of fans were without blame that day.

I think taking the hump because a local rival mocked our relegation is a bit petty. (not a dig at you personally.... but see a lot of City fans saying they'll "never forgive" Villa for singing Some Day We'll See You Again at that game.... That's bordering on Sunderland levels of bitterness.

What would our attitude be to Villa had we sent them down around that time? Probably something pretty similar.

Whilst i totally agree.... and the council appear to not give a toss about CCFC. There's a difference between putting on something open air in the city centre for Wasps and for us. Wasps they're getting a few hundred and some passers by..... CCFC they're looking at thousands. (none of which...

It was a rough day.... the atmosphere in and around The Rocket and the station was charged up... it seemed like most people felt we were down and wanted to go out with a bang. I remember the train stopped on a road bridge somewhere before Witton and there were loads of Villa fans walking...

Kool FM is now back on air.... part of RInse FM now. I think you can only get in on DAB if you're in London area, but can get it through their app or online. Managed to get it on my Sonos/TuneIn by copying the streaming URL or something.

You can still currently get an Off-Peak anytime day return for saturday for £69. Cov-Euston I doubt anything is going to be better value than that, given the likely chaos at Cov station i wouldn't be wanting to bank on getting a cheaper ticket for a specific train.

I remember this... wasn't it Oggy's record appearance match or something? My first was Ipswich, December 1992..... 2-2

They are awful

There has to be an acceptable level of risk otherwise it might as well be a non-contact sport. Players going down pretending they have a career-ending injury is a bigger stain on the game than a slight mis-time of a tackle.

It isn't nice to see. I don't like it from any team. Personally i think the whole method of penalising misdemeanours in football is arse-about-face. Mistime a tackle by a tenth of a second and you're looking at possibly a red card for dangerous play. But blatantly dive/cheat/pull someone...

Decent time.... sub 20 (y)

I would agree with this. I know we're a counter-attacking team and don't necessarily need to dominate possession.... but i don't see us shutting out a quality side like Middlesborough across two legs, and think they'll have just a little too much for us. (i shouldn't need to say this, one...