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But did you read about the battery part? Electric car batteries damaging to environment: Amnesty International This one is a long read but explains it very well Will Your Electric Car Save the World or Wreck It?

Yeah go for it.

When cars were high polluting it was better to replace them. But the introduction of the DPF on diesels made a massive difference. Yes they still pollute. But look at the energy on putting a car together. And making batteries for electric vehicles can be catastrophic in some countries. Then...

Shall we look before this? I remember what you have had a go at me. Look at it recently when you tried to say you had never tried defending Brown. I knew what you had said then also.

So in this century we have had more years of Labour government than Tory. But we should ignore the Labour years as they will be different but consider what the Tories have always done?

A 2014 article on a 20 year old car to a new one? So a 1994 car........ Engines from 2008 are much better than that. And my car with a large engine only costs £240 a year to tax so isn't very poluting to what many are. How about finding a more recent one?

Fair point :smuggrin:

I have a habit of criticising them all. But many only comment on certain people I criticise. The Tories are the Tories. So what they have done in the past follows them. But you don't want it to be the same for Labour.

Yes it is irrelevant. But it shows that once in power the reality of the situation hits home and the promises are not kept.

And here you are twisting the truth as usual. Bliar should have been tried for war crimes. He took us to war on a lie. Under Corbyn Labour haven't put a strong case for or against for Brexit. So how did you come to that rubbish?

Would cost too much just to bring a couple of countries in the EU up to date.

It wasn't just Bliar. But shall we look back at the abuse and who by each time I mentioned it? Look at how much Labour were defended it? Would be one of them times that looking at an old thread makes you smile.

And it has and will continue to cost votes for Labour. And that is my point.

Where have I even hinted they would be the same? So who agreed with me when I said what happened under Labour? How many agreed? Yes. Absolutely none. But how many had a go at me for mentioning it and saying I was wrong? Quite a few.

My old runner is now 11 years old. Use it as my long journey car. Volvo V70 D5. Done over 11,000 miles in the last 6 months. Has never failed an MOT. Only got 142,000 miles. Cambelt every 100,000 miles and easy to do. Service every 18,000 miles. If kept to the car should be able to join their...

When was that? Because you have never defended me in any way for saying exactly the same thing.

I know it is. But look at the comments. All supposed to be by the Tories. I go private to try my bit to help the situation. The problem is that the costs involved keep going up.

Yet I have always been wrong and a leaver for saying so. Just shows the truth isn't allowed on here frequently.

So why have you never said a word when the normal suspects have a go at me for saying it?

But accelerated under Labour. And only blamed on the Tories.