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Most on here I’m sure will be prepared to excuse this as saving Ukraine is far more important

He is a man child

Yalta?

If you thought that likely and you were in a senior government position how would you stop it?

Yalta?

I see this is the in word amongst certain people. Was Churchill an appeaser or just pragmatic?

The Trump Putin deal is irrelevant if Europe and the UK decide they wish to continue to support the war against Russia and supply all the arms required. Would you want that? I most certainly would not.

Yes its just the US way with no pretence or filters of special relationships

Well they can - it will cost billions more a year so I guess with our Black Hole sacrifices at home will have to be made. Who you put first I suppose.

I thought Zelensky was still saying he would not agree to hand over any land to Russia - I can't see anywhere he has agreed even to cede Crimea - so how is that going to ever work?

Then if Europe has that resolve it can fund the fight without the US

Are you comfortable with that?

He clearly does and will be far more interested in capital projects with the other super powers. At least you admit you want the misery and destruction to continue.

What I really would be interested in is those who not agree with this war ending actually want to happen? More death, torture and destruction? If its accepted the only reason the US want this to carry on under Biden was to continue this I am staggered people who see themselves as libertarians...

Another amazingly constructed response along with a silly GIF from someone who has repeatedly claimed Ukraine can win a war in never had a chance in. Also I repeat this is not anything entirely new and I think Roosevelt was somewhat more enlightened than Mr Biden, Trump or someone who is...

Well I hardly think Biden was a genius - and I’m sure they will be a rebuild programme coming which the US can of course assist with. Oh and I think the strategy itself was stupid and agreed to by a stupid senile old man. Trump has always been against spend on wars that don’t impact the US

Or they never existed in the first place? Or could be replaced by an alternate strategy?

The other issue here is that if the US do withdraw why is that the end? The Uk and Europe can choose to double its support. This will mean no doubt more taxation, more reductions in benefit support but if people think sacrifice is worth it I assume they will be prepared to lower living...

What question are you talking about?

“the pro Putin crowd”