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Possibly but I think the issue is complicated by the fact we’d be importing most of the raw materials and components but now with a tariff. There’s also the small matter that we’re way less efficient. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is what I didn’t get. The second sentence seems to contradict the first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Genuinely surprising but I guess most people are thinking about their kids and not really considering it from a rights, ethics or practical perspective. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What simple fact can’t I accept? I literally accept the result of the poll Grendel quotes, that’s implicit in my reply. Just don’t understand why he sent it but it turned out he’d drawn a conclusion from my message that I didn’t intend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That was an odd policy. You could understand the republicans doing it but a party in the U.K.? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don’t follow your reasoning here, care to elaborate? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Nope. That’s at best an oversimplification of what I said and at worst completely wrong. I said initially the noise was all leave, and this dictated government direction and put them in the bind they’re in. Having met reality most of the leave slogans have been shown to be as vacuous as...

That’s a fair point Grendel and shows how toxic an issue Brexit has become. Also shows the weakness of a GE as it ends up being a leave vs remain vote but with the complexities of a normal election and party lines. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Incredible, isn’t it? Mogg himself voted against it (twice?) and was a major player in preventing us from leaving. Voters should be turning away from the tories in droves while this toxic behaviour continues. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, disgraceful finger pointing from IDS to cover his own back. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not really. They’re not using stats. They’re making predictions based on models developed using information from the various tariff structures that have been mooted. Businesses are doing the same internally and coming to the same conclusions generally. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You seem to have conflated two separate points from two different people and misinterpreted them but I’ll try and answer you. Where is all the noise for leave? - as I stated the noise for leave in the media seems to have abated somewhat as it met with reality yet the government is still in a...

No he’s clearly not saying that. He’s saying how he described the vision for Brexit, which you (wrongly) attributed to him, is the vision as described by prominent leavers who are now in influential positions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

“DUP will vote down anything negotiable” well who’d have thought... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The point is in JRM absurd analogy that’s how he’s effectively paining the electorate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No I meant in terms of what voices are prevalent. During the campaign and after the leave narrative dominated dragging the governments position to its current conundrum of conflicting ideas that can’t be resolved. Over the last maybe 12 months remain voices have started to take over as reality...

I don’t think anything of it, I wasn’t aware of it. Doesn’t sound particularly interesting, quite a lot of people think we should honour the result don’t they? What’s your point? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This thread is irrelevant. Leavers won the media war. I will say the tide has turned recently but it was already too late by then. Even the governments position was distorted by the leavers in the Tory party. If May had aimed for a compromise soft Brexit we’d be long gone by now. Sent from my...

Francois didn’t look happy after speaking to him yesterday. I’m guessing they’ve been told that no no Brexit/threat of 2nd ref or something, who knows. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1) Most experts have a broadly similar view on Brexit. 2) Polls showed a remain win. Polls collated during the referendum show leave only took the lead for a very short period of time either side of the vote during a period where they sunk a huge amount of money into targeted advertising. 3) We...