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Imagine what it'll be like if we lose and in the process of summing up Clive just throws in Trump has been declared the winner of the US election! Although with Clive he'd probably call him Bush and it'd almost certainly mean Biden had won.

Like, whateverrr!

I do get your point. It didn't matter that it said Biden on the ballot. you just put "Trump" and "not Trump" for a similar outcome. Although party allegiances also go some way - I'm sure there are people that don't like Trump and wouldn't ordinarily vote for him who have because he's the Rep ticket.

Good points. I'm just trying to think how it spreads into those vulnerable people in the first place and it's often via thinks like carers and families, as we saw in the first wave. Given those people also then interact with many other people and have a variety of functions to play both...

I took the 'Biden would win easily' as a landslide. You were still wrong though - assuming he does win (which is far from certain) he hasn't done so easily.

I agree it's a toxic environment on social media, but at the same time if you try and do things 'properly' through official channels you get nowhere, Good ideas get shouted down or just ignored because it doesn't fit in with what the machinery want so arguably if you want to get an idea out...

Oh, he's massively wrong too. But so were you when you said Biden would win in a landslide. It's difficult for any Democrat to win a landslide due to the way the electoral college is set-up. You also said Dem's would get control of everything and so could do stuff like expand the Supreme Court...

I'd argue that the right still has competent politicians inasmuch as they can play the politics game of convincing enough of the public of their bullshit, and that's what, IMO, politics is. The ability to deflect attention away for you shitty dealings and failings but make sure focus is aimed on...

Without corona Trump would already be the comfortable victor.

Like people that say Trump is getting annihilated and Biden will win by a landslide because the polls say so despite the recent history on the accuracy of polling and anyone who says differently must be stupid ;)

That 'victory speech' (which is what it effectively was) was an absolute travesty and a danger not just to US democracy but democracy full stop. To declare victory while millions of votes have yet to be counted is just unbelievable. To then follow that up by demanding vote counting should be...

But that would have Trump in charge for about 16 hours a day.

Again it's the candidate. Biden doesn't have a great history with minorities either and certainly less so than Hillary. Hence the probable relative swing because it's not totally like-for-like. But it is still mad. Turkey's voting for Thanksgiving.

It doesn't look like the Dem's will have control of everything anyway to effect change to an electoral system that massively favours Rep's. IF they did have the chance they should scrap the electoral college because millions of votes are just ignored by giving all the votes to one candidate...

You can hardly use that as an excuse for Trump. Take pretty much any of his speeches and just have the words he's said written down. It's pretty much unintelligible.

To be honest though you'd want to two foot someone because you don't like the colour socks they're wearing ;)

They should forma band called the U-Turners. Although more apt would be a soap called the U-Benders, cos they do nothing but take the piss and have a constant stream of shite passing through them.

This may surprise and seem a bit callous but although I agree with the NHS staff I think over-85's should be a priority due to their vulnerability but maybe not that high a priority. This is because if we want to see an end to this then we need to vaccinate those most likely to be in contact...

Good to hear you've recovered quickly. Hopefully you should now have a bit of immunity to it over Xmas and the winter months. I'm not saying this next bit to get you down but just as a 'be prepared', but I do feel they may extend the lockdown by a couple of weeks to get the numbers down for...

After Trump's statement claiming a win and that vote counting should be stopped now with millions of votes still to be counted, I'd say there's a decent reason to add US democracy to this list. At the very least it's gravely ill on life support.