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That’s national debt? They promised to eliminate the deficit- ofc yes which they haven’t done, but they did say that they wouldn’t well before 2015. But not an excuse as they say they didn’t fulfill the pledge

Yes there is every reason it shouldn’t be and it’s impossible to make any debate if you honestly believe that sadly

This is the problem, it isn't as simple as that is it?

'You fool', I love it when people can't debate so just resort to insults. Dutchman said that only the rich should pay VAT, so they would be footing the bill for poor people who don't want to pay is what i was saying, probably worded badly but nevermind. you resort to insults behind a screen...

So they should be taxed more on the wealth they inherit when in most case, they pay 40% of tax above whatever the threshold is for that person? You bet? Have you got any facts, I myself come from parents who were lower class/ lower middle class, and now firmly sit in the middle class. However I...

Again where have I said the poor should be punished? I am saying it is fair to have set rate? He is talking about increasing the rate for the rich, which would be being punished

They aren’t being punished? It’s a fair rate? Everyone pays it. The poor are also the ones begging for houses, benefits, and food banks, yet they don’t wish to pay anything into supporting it? Rich people should support them why? Again I go back to the point. It’s all about personal...

So what? Again and I have said it throughout the thread, why should the rich be punished for doing well.

It’s not, but it’s the basis of a good debate, I think Astute and others have showed a willingness to budge on opinions and accept other views, whereas others just read and see what they want to see, in order to constantly stick by the same point even when wrong.

So you want inequality then? Because we should positively discriminate for the poor? And only the rich should pay VAT?

Well tbf universal credit does have its positives it does just need a lot of work doing to it. But I do agree with the other points. However you cannot blame everything that has happened to people and to young people on the government. It’s an attitude I really despise, that when shit doesn’t...

It isn’t a foul throw? Weird technique which made me look again tbf, but it isn’t a foul throw

It’s all a matter of opinions though. I don’t like May, I think the Tories were good under Cameron though. However you cannot say anything for sure in politics. And I still think May is better than the alternative

Thing is you don’t have a reasoned opinion so it’s impossible to have a reasoned debate. You will vote Labour even if they are the next Nazi party. SB, Clint, Mart have all offered reasoned debate, and have conceded in some areas. You just blame the conservatives for everything, and praise...

Because labour are saints are they? You can’t use one stick with the tories and not with labour. May is awful, but Labour and Corbyn are no better.

No there is only one way we go with Corbyn and that’s down. It’s the same with May. Neither party is good enough or was ready for a leave vote, and both are very weak. Both parties need a massive reset, but it’s never gonna happen. And even if Corbyn did want to stay in the custom union etc...

Don’t agree, this was always always going to happen, both sides have said as much, both sides expected the stall in negotiations as neither side wishes to budge, I think a deal will be agreed, and I do think we will compromise. I don’t disagree about the current government being shit. It is...

If she didn’t you wouldn’t know which is where the saying is from ;) which is my point and I said I don’t think she has one either. I think she needs to go. Are they? What evidence is there of that? And a better deal based on who’s opinion?

If you have then people don’t need to repeat the same points. Just go back and recap the stuff that isn’t costed. And astute has given you an answer. Saying they will tax the highest earners more, isn’t costing. And he also explained why.

We have been through this in the thread already read back through