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That decision yesterday was pretty obvious. No-one thought it was offside on first viewing. VAR should be used for things officials have missed. Clear and obvious errors. There was clearly no obvious error there. I get what you are saying and some are more difficult to judge, but on first...

I get what you are saying, but let me put this to you. Did anyone, anyone at all, upon seeing that yesterday, believe that was obviously offside? Fans, managers, pundits? The answer is no-one did, so there can be a general rule of thumb applied. Obviously some instances will be clearer than...

Exactly. We can all judge clear and obvious surely. If you can't immediately see it with the naked eye, it's not obvious.

But common sense tells you, you can look at an image and see that two objects are close to each other and would need a much longer and closer look to see which is ahead of which. It's very simple really. Give them 10, 15, 20 seconds to look at it, max . Instantly yesterday, you could see that...

I disagree. If it needs a line drawn to see if someone is offside, then simply don't draw the line and go with the referee's decision. It's not rocket science and I don't think they will now ever get rid of it. I think it's here to stay, so it needs modifying and overhauling. Stop drawing...

Didn't spot that.

Completely with you. Don't scrap it. Just ditch the microscope, slide rule stuff. They should have taken one look at that yesterday and said that's too close to call and there is no obvious error. Use it for stuff like ...... was the tackle made inside or outside the penalty area, for pens...

Not sure they can. There would be an absolute outpouring of anger from managers saying the officials have made horrendous mistakes and made glaring errors and missed stuff. You can't win really. Just need to stop the nonsense VAR decision making and use it properly, because at the moment...

I don't think there is any conspiracy. I just think there is ineptitude.

Well said. If you are having to draw a line, then it's not clear and obvious.

And that's it right there isn't it. If she is right and the technology and frame rates are not good enough, it simply shouldn't be used for these types of decisions.

Man U and City fans? Or fighting amongst own supporters?

It does look fabulous, it has to be said. Well done, whoever conjured that up.

Yeah. So surprised they spelled it all correctly.

He did. He was very solid. I would play him against Hull.

I'm really surprised he didn't trip over that as he tried to get back to defend the attack

Nope. It's been utilised incorrectly. Use it for obvious errors. We can now tell if a ball crossed the line or not. We can use it to see if a foul was made in the area, or whether it occurred outside. We can see if a bad tackle was actually worse than it first appeared, or whether a player...

Agree. Completely. They can't even get the line in the right place at times.

Anyway, I am not as peed off the offside as others are and it's not what I wanted to focus on. We should be talking about the performance.

I have always said, it should be a look of 20-30 seconds max. If they can't find a definitive, clear cut answer there, they go back to the on-field decision. I am not creating ambiguity. I am saying it simply cannot be allowed to go to such miniscule levels. It makes the game a joke. Because...