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What is financial sustainability? Spending within your means. Clubs could have chosen to operate sustainably by their own free will in the past. Had they done so FFP would never have been created. It was put in place purely because clubs chose not to spend within their means. Even with rules...

... I'm phase one So much better than .....twooooooooo

Think they'd want a fee, man

You don't think the rich, powerful clubs will complain at smaller clubs being give assistance? Literally just last summer we had the ESL proposals put forward by a few powerful clubs because they didn't feel they were getting enough of the pie in their domestic leagues.

Easiest way to make sure people aren't breaking the rules is not give them any rules to break. We could solve crime overnight if we just repealed all the laws. I never said anything about more draconian. I'm just pointing out giving them more leeway will just make the situation worse. If you...

Magic Eye pictures?

OK. I assumed it would work the same way it has in the past. If not it makes it not just a stupid price but also a stupid offer if it doesn't have that flexibility within the package. I assume it is still possible though as you'd just select 6 tickets or whatever for the one game and the credits...

I'm not arguing that the FFP is weak or that it's not working. I'm arguing that anything else will be any more effective. Owners will look for ways around anything new that was brought in just as much as they do with FFP. Playerz gonna play. Same shit, different name. To think otherwise is...

Yep.

The rules were brought in because it was getting silly and clubs were at risk because of the ridiculousness of it all. Either don't spend and go down or do spend and risk going bankrupt if you go down anyway. Big clubs solely reliant on their sugar daddy not getting bored and stopping funding or...

Smaller clubs have smaller grounds so can accommodate fewer fans. Bigger clubs can accommodate more and will attract a larger following. So big club comes to you and you can only give them 2k tickets because of stadium size. When you travel away they can accommodate 5k of your fans. Big club...

Potentially unfairly. You take 2000 fans to them, they bring 200 to you. You've lost out.

As I said the fact that the host club incurs costs in accommodating the fans they should get more. A football match is entertainment that is made up by two teams playing. If one is not there there is nothing to watch. So why should one team keep all the revenue just because they're hosting...

Read it again. It doesn't say that people wouldn't go if they were aware the club got no money. I'm sure there are a fair number who know this. But they go because they enjoy the day out and atmosphere. I ask whether it's sensible to do it given you're basically giving money to your competitors.

Two separate things. First is that this match package is poorly priced and offers little incentive to buy one. The different pricing categories seems to have complicated the pricing of them and made it uncertain whether it is good value (Cat A yes, Cat B not really, Cat C not at all). This is...

I agree with Grendel that the match packages are poorly priced and at most should be the same price as the cheapest game.

If someone's making that late a decision on whether to go or not and can't be arsed with it they can pay the matchday price on the gate.

OK, maybe misleading is a better word.

I put at the bottom that afterwards I realised you were putting your own price of £20 rather than the actual £24, so it would either be the same price at Cat C. As I said it's technically true but it's disingenuous. Yes, there is a saving of up to £10 per match. But that's only for 6 out of 23...