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That will include ST holders, but perhaps not away fans and corporate.

Nah, still lots of seats reserved for ST holders who have not renewed, so gives a false impression. The crowd will be about 10.5K in the end. It's disappointing, but entirely consistent with the gates we were getting two season's ago. Not all that surprising really.

£25 - it's only £27 tomorrow. He is try to shaft you for £2.

Which means if you tried to but a ticket online, you couldn't buy at the JSB rate, and you'd probably have to go to the ticket office to sort out. But then according to the '2 minutes online' brigade, their are no issues with online ticket sales at all, so stop moaning.

Err..yes you can.

Agree. The issue for me is why, given that they've hardly sold a ticket all week, are there still queues of 1 hour? ST renewals I imagine, but then just put more staff on?

It's not a perfect guide, but it's a better guide. We also have similar gates (historically) to all those clubs, despite the fact I'd argue that their wider catchment areas are much bigger.

I see what you're trying to do there, not falling for it ;)

Sorry, it's crap. Our crowds now are at the lowest point since the second world war. They are not typical. Go back just a few seasons we were averaging 21,000 as a mid-table championship side - just run of the mill games with no Wembley ticket on offer or big team opposition on show. Crowds...

Absolute crap.

Pointless. City populations are meaningless if you don't take into account the size of the conurbation. You can argue all like that, say, Coventry is bigger than Nottingham - but it's bollocks. Nottingham is twice the size of Coventry in population terms. Urban area is a much better guide...

I think he is. This is the same Grendel who was last week deriding the part timers for turning up because tickets were cheap.

Bradford have 8500 season ticket holders, we have 4000 (for obvious reasons), so very much doubt we will overtake them this season - unless we get into the top 6 and stay there until the end, then we might see some big gates.

Fair enough. Just find all these people trying to argue that prices don't affect attendances tiresome - most of whom were moaning last week that people were only queuing in their thousands because of cheap tickets. None of us are saying it makes a massive difference, but for some it does. We...

No they are not. The charge £18 on the kop. We charge £22 for equivalent seats. To pay £18 at the Ricoh, you have to have an under 16 with you. Not everyone has kids, do they?

It is disappointing Otis, but some people are getting hysterical about it. I know many who went on Friday who are not going Saturday - but they are going to the Preston game. Some just can't do every game. Our attendances at the moment (and it really does look like no more than 10K on...

Attendances fluctuate, always have always will. We averaged 34,000 before, hit 20K regularly and very occasionally it has dipped below 11000 - like now. So in other words, our levels of support at the moment are not 'normal', they are historically very low. They will improve again in time...

up there in the top 10 worst forum posts of all time. Given what the people of this city have done to rescue this football club over the past 18 months (recognised throughout the game), to then suggest we 'don't derserve a football club' because we're set for a home gate of about 11,000 in the...

Really, what? Other than that we have a big fan base which is still largely disenfranchised.

Yep. But then the thing I find strange, is that for most of last season people were talking about having lost interest, that they had found other things to do on a Saturday etc. We are back, but one game in people are assuming that everyone is going to forget all that and slip straight back...