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I'm not convinced it was doomed to fail - isn't this the nature of every commercial landlord/tenant relationship. One side wants to pay as little as possible, the other side wants to charge as much as possible. Neither side, typically, wants to break the other though. As an aside, this...

Anyway Rob, what was your impression* of the court case? It didn't sound like the judge was entirely convinced, but then I'm not there. *I'm sorry I don't do impressions, my training is in Psychiatry. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4MaUIk0Thc

I'd largely agree with this, for what it's worth - but I think the obvious and first thing to do is to come back to the Ricoh on a short-term rent deal whilst the longer and far trickier issue of ownership is thrashed out. For SISU to say that they can't do that because they don't trust the...

In truth though Rob, there was never any pressure from your campaign on SISU to talk about a rent deal, was there? You focused solely on the council, from what I saw. And indeed it seemed to fail to recognise that whilst the very court case which you are watching now was threatened, it would...

But he did say that the trustees weren't involved in a conspiracy, didn't he, which shot down a fair part of SISU's case. It also leaves it a bit light on the conspiracy argument, leaving ACL as the only other possible party, who of course are 50% council-owned. And again, there's no way to...

Just because the Judge appears to be being harsh to the SISU QC, I wouldn't take bets on the outcome of the case yet. It's just as likely he'll tear apart any flaws he sees in the Council QC's argument. I sense it's just what Judges like to do. ;)

Yep, that's fair enough - although again, I can't see where the evidence is that there was a deal to shoot down, given there was clearly no agreement on price or more clearly how it was to be paid. Regardless, you've got to accept the judge's take on this, given. As for negotiation on all...

Quite. If the rent's paid, or even a lower rent agreed (as was, supposedly, being negotiated), then there's simply no way to replace SISU as owners unless they chose to sell. You can't force someone into selling the club, even via admin, unless they refuse to pay their bills.

Erm... at what point did the council veto the deal? What I took from the Higgs case transcripts is that the deal fell apart because SISU offered £5m on buy-now, pay-later terms without any security that Higgs could accept. I didn't see any evidence of the Council shooting down the deal, in...

And I'm a Count - or at least I think that's what Rob & Torchy call me. ;)

We've been here before. Many, many times. Even SISU seem to accept that the level of the rent was related to the amount of the mortgage. Hence the plan to buy out the mortgage, rather than just lobby for a rent decrease. Either way, it's old news, surely.

Always get your retaliation in first, Rob. Appeal for everything, nick a yard everytime the ref's back is turned, and nail the goalie at every opportunity. That's I'll I've ever asked for. ;) OSB is an anonymous fan here like almost everyone else. If there's an issue with what he says...

That's not what I'm saying and you know it. He's made the mistake of suggesting that someone who posts an opinion that he does not agree with works for the other side. It's common enough, that, and unworthy imho.

I don't think that's ever been denied. However wasn't the sliding scale proposal turned down (edit: by the club). I guess we'll see. In the meantime, what were SISU doing about it from when they bought the club up until the roadmap/rent strike?

I'm sorry Rob, but that's unfair. Almost everyone here posts under anonymity - which is why it's important to look at the facts (or what people state as the facts), and challenge them, this rather than to start assuming hidden motives. I don't think it's a secret that you're a friend of Les...

I think what the judge means is that it can't really be classed as paying the rent. This also points back to a decision in court as I recall, where SISU were told they had to top up the escrow as well as paying the rent due.

He isn't Gent, or at least I'd be very surprised if he is. I've considered Rob a friend for a long time. It doesn't mean he's right on everything, mind, and I detest this Council-plant, SISU rent-boy stuff. I wish we could just leave it out, personally. Appreciate you were kidding when you...

That's way out of line, Rob. It's like asking you if you're happy working for SISU.

Given this is (vaguely) football-related surely you need to be 110% confused, otherwise you're clearly not trying hard enough. ;)

Surely "Congratulations". Stick with the classics. Plus they played it at Wembley for us, or at least the marching band did. Ah, now he's on about the "marching" again, for sure now can you not just leave it. ;)