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Reward for being a covert Brexit enabler.... Agent Swinson can now return to the nest.

Murdoch’s choice no doubt.... make of that what you will.

It’s called socialism. Corbyn was only the vehicle to bring it to the fore after being lost. It might need a little refining but its defining principles are there and will go on after him.

This is where you are wrong. Boris’ message did matter to the electorate (no matter how much we do or do not like it) If you had got your wish then a new leader with the same PV message would have been defeated. In a way you should be happy - Corbyn is gone, a new leader won’t have to deal with...

I believed in him because I was sick of champagne politics by people that didn’t give a fuck. He had a different style - a compassion that you rarely see. I make no apologies for supporting and defending him. Was that naive in the cold light of day? Yes because sadly that style didn’t work for...

Training bursaries being removed has been a killer just in that area.

Chuka all day long. Even more than Swinson.

It’s happening - the debate seems almost meaningless from this point on. Boris owns this - it’s all on him now.

But it’s been a collective failure of Labour and Tory governments to not have a functioning system. We need unskilled and skilled immigration, and each group needs its own robust system - not a one size fits all model.

It’s not about ‘increasing’ immigration for the sake of it. But where do you get doctors/nurses if the country can’t produce it’s own? It’s multi layered and very complex.... not just the sub total of Farage standing in front of a poster saying ‘don’t let them in’

No one can mitigate for that kind of logic. I heard lots of people saying that didn’t like Corbyn - but never could articulate why. At least on here those that disliked him explained their reasons why and you could understand - even if you fundamentally disagreed. Perhaps the next leader won’t...

It wasn’t about it being Corbyn, it was about the policies and vision and him being the first to bring them to the table. In the future Labour have to retain the majority (not all) of those ideas if they ever want to be a force in government.

On reflection... A devastating night for Labour. It’s biggest mistake was it’s call on Brexit. I have always been uncomfortable in the notion of not respecting democracy (check my posts if you don’t believe me) and it appears that the electorate want Brexit. Our members wanted to remain... but...

You did - I just hoped you were wrong. It’s the hope that kills you.

I’m gutted. I don’t even pretend to understand the motives of people but that’s clearly what they want.

Fuck....

So using that logic a spike could also be because a 2nd ref is more likely? Someone on Twitter also said apparently US and China about to announce a trade deal so it’s unrelated.... Who knows...

Yes you are right technically - but on a practical level he’d have to step aside.

Would depend on numbers. You can add 5 on with Plaid/Green too.

More drivel with zero substance and no evidence to back it up. No wonder you lapped it up.