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I think we will win tomorow. The majority of people believe Thorn to be the best manager we have had in the Championship and so I am happy to accept that my minority view may be wrong. In which case the next few games should see his influence shine through and turn things around. Get results in...

and I didn't talk about replacing Thorn, so bad reading all around John, must do better!

Its not Thorn out or Thorn in. Its whether he should always be on this great big pedestal, quoted as the best manager we have had since relegation and never blamed for anything

just playing devils advoctae KG. If Thorn is not culpable at all because he has nothing to work with player wise then surely people won't care if any are sold

Not that I disagree Torchy but would taking a chance on Oggy be any bigger risk than taking on AT at the time we did.

I am more interested as to why you have a picture of Dr Legg on your profile

I take it there will be no complaints about any sales in January?

Why are we even having this conversation, AT is the best manager since Sillett

Well for me if we have reached a point where a manager with Thorns record is not accountable in anyway and its all down to owners who show no signs of calling it day then its time to wave the white flag and surrender. Sad times. Just as an aside, if suddenly money became no object would you...

If we are so bad and Thorn is completely faultless, why do we have good periods in most games? I'm fed up with arguing but I'll stand by it all day, this team should not be in the position it is

As long as SISU are in charge Thorn will be culpable for nothing. He's lucky in that respect

fantastic. So we have a bunch of clowns in charge, an underperforming manager who we can't blame, underperforming players who we can't blame............... Getting the feeling the thread blaming the fans for being fickle isn't far away:D because over the 30 years I've been following them it...

that isn't really our job to solve is it ?

so lets keep plodding on slowly into oblivion. If the manager is so impotent in this situation and nobody could do better then why have one at all, save some more money

6 points tops

can anyone genuinely see any come back from it? It would be a bloody big ask

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that someone else could get more out of these players, perhaps survive. I hate the management merry go round as much as you always have but the future of the club is at stake. I don't see us recovering from relegation to league 1

I think you are over reacting a tad

this is my view too Nick

Though this time last year roughly the same side was looking at the other end of the table. On the other hand who else would come here. Its a sad state of affairs.