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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You say you see these things happening and how terrible it all is, and I ask you where you live. You say a village which was 5000 and is now 20000 with all these problems. I just asked in case I wanted to visit a village which I knew as 5000 population and is now a hell hole of 20000. how am I...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I really don’t know. In a way I would actually prefer a leave landslide to remain winning 52:48. then we would have a strong mandate- even if were not to my liking. This almost 50:50 is a disaster as the country is literally split down the middle meaning. We are all losers as we have ended up...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We voted for on well over 90% of EU Law. We voted against on 2% of laws. Who is imposing what on who?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The fact that Carney reacted by pumping billions in straight after Brexit saved the day which is why he was begged to stay on. Maybe we should have let Farage or Snooty be head of the BoE? Do you seriously think that there are better alternatives to Carney?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is a British thing. Austerity plus. Less police. Neglect of the NHS. Neglect of infrastructure. Massive differences between wealth and power. Not enough done for the ageing population. The UK opened up to Eastern Europe well before Germany and other countries and had massive commonwealth...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Sounds really terrible. But, do black lads, grooming gangs, gipsies, Muslims really have a lot to do with the EU? It sounds really horrible where you live, I prefer Cov to that by a long way. Does the demography putting pressure on the NHS have anything to do with people living longer? Do the 10...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is the irony. Blaming the EU for the false distribution of wealth and economic power in the UK, and then giving the power to people who want pure deregulated capitalism to make the situation worse for the ordinary folk. People go on about Juncker, Selmayr and bananas, but miss the point...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Dir me coming back a couple of times every year, I really notice the difference in wealth between, when I am as a tourist in London and visiting people in the South East, and some parts of Cov. A few hours waiting in A and E in Cov was an eye opener.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They have confirmed that we could revoke article 50 unilaterally as a sovereign state. Which we are and always were despite the lies that were spread... and believed.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, but what did you read and what was the agenda behind it?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Firstly I think the EU would welcome us back and we would benefit from that. Most of EU laws that leavers claim were imposed on us, were voted for by us in the past and I think we would have more influence as no one wants to go through a period of uncertainty again in the near future. Depends on...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. They painted the worst case scenarios and are taking steps to prevent them happening. If they are successful, as in 2016, you won’t say.. „thanks for being prepared and preventing the worst“. You will say... „ I told you so..na na n na na“. If you are stupid enough to be rubbed up by...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Crap. Really you are still in 2016 quoting Faragisms. The EU has moved on. Yes 1% of UK GDP would help the EU budget, but it is not the end of the World and not all EU money is wasted. As we are finding out by having to employ thousands of bureaucrats to replace EU agencies.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How? They have been transparent all along. They have said you can leave. We can leave after a two year period. Why haven’t we left yet? We want a FTA which we can have after we have settled liabilities, the question of citizens rights ( EU and UK ) and the arrangements for the land border with...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Just to confirm that we are not locked in and are a sovereign state that can trigger or revoke article 50 unilaterally: UK can cancel Brexit by unilaterally revoking Article 50, European Court advocate general says
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is the problem. It is about opinion. In your case saying that you feel we should stick to the decision good or bad is an opinion. Fair enough. Some agree and some don’t. To say that people will distrust and hate the EU because our country is split because of the referendum is also an...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    WTF? Why? The EU has absolutely nothing to do with our referenda. We were not locked in in the first place. Stick to a fact based discussion.... please.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If people, including parliament, parliament being sovereign not the people, want another referendum then it’s democratic to give them one. Finality is not the language of democracy. ( Benjamin Disraeli ).
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s what the polls say. Not me. You seem to be in complete denial about what is happening.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s not true. More leavers have changed to remainers. You don’t know why. You are just saying that. There are a lot of people who didn’t know what the EU does, and now know it’s benefits. I have not seen a survey on the reasons for remain growing. You are assuming they don’t like the EU, but...
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