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you know what chap I dont mind, dare i say it enjoy discussions and I dont mind being disagreed with, never have. I was not personal in what I put nor was it degrogatory. I disagreed with what you put and explained nothing more. Thats what forums are for isnt it. No need to be childish about...

wonder if ACL will not wait until 02/05 ?

he is referring to next seasons FFP limit so next season i assume but do they take it from1st June the start of CCFC financial year?

I know we all want new players etc ....... but to bleat about being far exceeding the salary limit next year kind of smacks of poor management and fiscal control. Surely you plan ahead ............. which they must have done to know they will be over the limit............ but above all you...

does this mean Dickinson will be going .... only on 28 days isnt he?

But they dont actually get the income thats the whole point, they get credit for turnover matched by the debit for purchases at the same figure............... so the effect of it on the budgets is nil, so if it adds nothing to cashflow or profit then it isnt the big deal it is cracked up to be...

isnt that the problem though, the lease still exists so landlord wont deal with SISU, or if wound up and club wants to be there (and may have to be) then ACL still call the tune

my understanding is either by agreement of both parties or by winding up. Administration will not break it as such but would offer an opportunity to renegotiate in normal circumstances. Administration means the company still exists and gives a period of time to come agreement with creditors and...

Think the 50% of ACL on offer was a lot less than £10m actually

Actually the F&B income is just as dependent on numbers at the game as ACL giving TF access to their books. But it is pretty irrelevant really because the only effect that the turnover from F&Bs has is on the FFP rules. The way the F&B has been offered means CCFC gets the credit in their...

something different entirely............... in terms of match day income what was going to happen was CCFC showed it as their turnover say £1m (which therefore goes in to FFP calc) but then the Compass/ACL joint venture would invoice them £1m so that CCFC showed no profit on it. That way CCFC...

there is bound to be a bit of that but turnover has been defined by the FL as to what can be included. ACL offered a creative bit of accountancy that I can see will work by offering the credit for match day F&B but then billing the full amount.

flippant answer would be because how many teams make a profit ? If you mean it should leave a club at breakeven well then that would be a good idea, but how do you monitor it. If it is Turnover then such records and wages records are available easily and monitored easily because football...

anyone want to listen to TF this morning it is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p014rksd 2hrs 8mins or there abouts

embargo only applies to players I think............... but perhaps better to ask would anyone want to take it on ?

so how exactly does the rent affect the FFP calculation when FFP is a percentage of turnover? Hasnt seemed to stop us having a squad of over 30 players, a non youth team first team or a budget of £4m this year

They are being offered right to Turnover Paxman not the rights to the profits from it. By concession ACL have said their share of the profits on matchday concourse F&B made can go to CCFC. It would be Credit income £1m credit cost of sales £1m

Was there a different way ......................... So at what point did SISU offer to buy the income sources that the club sold and had the money for? At what point did CCFC lease those income streams ? At what point did CCFC use/hire the facilities at the Ricoh in a sustained manner...

It isnt quite that simple SBP. The auditors need to be sure that the club is a going concern for 12months + from now to be able to sign off the accounts today. There are a number of reasons why they cant do that including but not only the rent dispute. Clearly with everything going on there is a...

ACL have no desire or intention of owning the club Vick.......... I think thats a non starter. Cant force SISU to sell up as such but can make it very difficult not to. The refinancing of the ACL loan was a game changer certainly for ACl ............ but it also enabled the possibility of the...