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It is difficult to see what their plan is. I think they have shielded the club away from claims from ACL for the lease etc but in so doing have given themselves potential for a headache. By breaking away from the old lease they have broken connection to the stadium too. Have a feeling that the...

In which case they should have no problem approaching ACL to discuss a rent should they ? Would suggest as I, Paxman and others have suggested in the past a long lease for the football club at a low rental. Would give the club some tenure, stability and extra worth. They can then negotiate or...

the "progress" was more rhetorical than tangible duffer :) ....... and was really in that last sentence just about the loss of CCFC H ltd ..... is losing another part of our history progress? who knows?

They already owned 100% of CCFC H anyway they didnt need to buy it out. Have all the debts been settled or written off? Otium's trading name as per TF on CWR 02/08/13 is CCFC so Otium do not need to change name. Certainly the trademarks are now registered to Otium Entertainment group CCFC H...

First game this season and i am looking forward to the day and match. Dont think Port Vale will be easy to beat though..... they gave Orient a decent run for their money last week

well the only thing that ACL can offer is a rental deal and the possibility of buying income streams ..... ACL itself cant offer ownership of the stadium or of its own shares but like you say both sides have to draw a line on the past.... and both sides have to offer compromise together with...

Then they should have no problem in taking up the discussions brokered by the Trust then should they and making a business proposal to acl to return

That would be a 125yr lease for CCFC or ACL? It was ACL's debt they were taking on. But that was a year ago. Recent "info" seems to suggest that they require the freehold they talk of stadium ownership not leases nowadays

The point I am making is there is a myth being peddled here by Fisher, SISU, Les Reid etc that the freehold ownership is essential for the well being of CCFC. That it is the only solution. It isnt, as many of the posters above agree. That myth is either peddled because of other agendas away from...

You dont need to own the Ricoh to own those income streams and take advantage of the turnover for FFP though. The income from those events sits in IEC Experience Limited which is owned 77% by ACL and 23% by Compass. Take a long lease at low rent and buy the 77% shares and you achieve exactly the...

Well unless the club buy out the lease then yes to both

wouldnt pay me enough ;) ....... quite happy with my own business, keeps me busy enough :)

Wont that be where the station will go? Car park C was due to be developed I think

Think the development land was ear marked for hotel development ......... not been a great demand in the area for such development in the recession years. As to valuation its going to in part depend on the planning consents attached. But its never an easy valuation, it almost depends on how bad...

am allowed to have an opinion in amongst all the explanations guys :laugh: .............. even if apparently i work for two charities, a stadium management company, a local council, and of late according to another site seen the light and seeking employment at a not so local football team and a...

no trolling about it cc4l........... too many people on here and other sites blindly state CCFC must own the site/freehold ...... i just want people to think and understand why? or why not ? I have never thought that they needed to So where is the convincing arguement that i have misssed that...

I have found looking back on the whole affair that things said in one place usually means that the person talking doesnt want you to look at something else

what is the basis of that calculation, because I really cant see the value of ACL being based on something quite that simple?

Straight questions why is it absolutely essential for the CLUB to own the freehold of the Ricoh site? What does it achieve for CCFC?

I dont see why they cant be clear in statements about things like this. But as usual muddy waters