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Good from McFadz, bad from lots of players, Eccles, DaSilva and Wilson

Surely just giving Ayari a chance to get up to speed with match fitness. I imagine we're going to see him at some point today after that half from KP!

Bit of urgency about our play since the goal

A gift. Fox in the box.

A fair comment

I'm not usually particularly negative but this is the worse I've seen us for a good good while. Eccles, Palmer, Wright, Godden all been very poor.

The strikers have had no service. The midfield cannot keep the ball or make anything happen.

Could have crossed it deep or took his man on, instead passed it back and fourth with the midfield

Da Silva is very good at recieving the ball in tight spaces

Surely no one said Stoke had a good window? They bought a few players "with championship experience" that were deemed surplus to requirements at their previous clubs...

A lot of posters routinely breaking the SBT forum policy "do NOT mention former players". I see you all, I will be messaging admin to get you all banned.

How likely do you think it is, after signing both Simms and Wright just this summer, that we will be offloading them in January?

I mean, he can definitely pass and link up well with players. We've all seen it. Just not today haha

It's because it's his first start. You don't just chuck new players in that aren't match fit for 90 mins, in a demanding position, and let them see out the whole match. That's a recipe for injury.

I think we will end up seeing Allen in CM a bit more the way things have planned out in the transfer window. I think O'Hare / Palmer would be a good combination. Not seen enough of Ayari yet but he looks a talent.

I agree he is who he is and won't change. So far this season he's offered a bit of quality in the final third (not today you tit). He is no doubt a luxury player and a maverick. I think alongside the right players and in the right system he is a real asset though, even if he thinks football...

Grendel has been waiting in the wings this season to be able to shout from the rooftops that Palmer was bad 😂 He was bad today.

Comparatively yeah, but also, he is a different player so offers different things. He was shite this evening mind.

I thought defensively, the midfield did well (Eccles and Kelly), unfortunately they didn't offer enough in terms of linking with forwards and keeping the ball. Granted that's not either of those players games, but also, that's why we need a midfielder who can do that. If you gave me the choice...

It would help if we had the ball to pass to him...