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fair enough, but I don’t know why you’re so insistent that the result had nothing to do with Scotland doing well, you make it sound like we were playing 11 cardboard cutouts but still didn’t have the ability to score

you’re devaluing what Scotland just did, they played well.

he sure is m8, the game finished an hour ago

what’s your beef with them, you live up there or something?

gilmour just had a great game, we all watched it, so kind of invalidates the argument he’s not a top player yet

Interesting fact: that was our youngest ever starting 11 for a tournament match.

that’s false- we played Holland off the pitch and were unlucky to draw. In fact it was your archetypal England-style set of games- huff and puff against “lesser” opposition, and put in massive performances against the big teams, only for it to end in heartbreak on penalties and open top bus...

ah, now that I have no idea about. but it’s hardly a new problem, is it.

that’s just nonsense. None of that matters when it’s England v Scotland.

for the older amongst us: i clearly rememberer Italia ‘90- England 1 Ireland 1. The papers were calling for the team to be sent home after one game there was so much disgust at drawing against such lesser opposition, and people wanted Robson’s head straight after the match. im not saying for...

what standard did Kane look like tonight? Or Sterling? Or pretty much any of them? this is precisely the kind of arrogance that makes people dislike us.

? You can have a good gameplan and stifle more talented opposition without looking like Brazil you know- they were better than us tonight and that’s the bottom line- we can blame who we want but it’s happened enough times to suggest it’s not all about England “not being arsed”.

I didn’t say they looked impressive, I said they did well. its not all about slating us & going mental at the team and manager when we don’t win, the opposition do have something to do with it.

but it wasn’t though. They had a good plan to get in our faces, have a high tempo, stand up to us & show no fear and it worked really well. We ran out of ideas, didn’t know what to do and in the end they totally deserved that draw- you can’t say they were just average, they stopped us. when you...

part of the problem is I don’t believe he knows his best starting 11 kane cannot start next match- he’s utterly off form. Foden coming off was just weird

better isn’t the same as winning. Hence our history of glorious defeats.

this is the point. we won’t play another game like that, that was a one-off. We will look massively different next game. It’s not right that we weren’t as fired up against a smaller nation as we are v better teams, but that’s our mentality for you.

Kane needs to be dropped, it’s as simple as that- can’t afford passengers

what do you mean Kane is our talisman? He’s been absolutely shocking in both matches Sterling was very bad, they all were- but Kane was a total passenger in both matches

or Italia ‘90 Sneaking past Tunisia in 2018 wasn’t the greatest either. that was total garbage but it was Scotland in their cup final and biggest game in years