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ok, I'm going to bite and say are you talking about this coming Saturday?

Tony, sorry to be slow replying. The thread seems to have gone off track from your OP. Your suggestion raises the really interesting question of what are the views and strategy of the different groups. Maybe you could put together a list of questions asking about things like each group's views...

Make myself popular? Have you read some of the posts on here! If we 'talk' for long enough it's always possible to find common ground and I agree entirely about the FL as with the need for just one fans' group . It's probably time to close this thread and I am genuinely grateful to people who...

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This - and Godiva's post - is good stuff and exactly what should have been the subject of negotiations back in 2012 and this whole mess would have been avoided. But I keeping coming back to the 2 points that are doing my head in. First, if everyone is saying sisu are not good for ccfc/can't be...

Thanks for this which is the kind of alternative I've been hoping people would come up with. The contradiction I'm trying to work through though is if everyone is saying sisu are not good for ccfc/can't be trusted etc then is this alternative a desirable option for people because it leaves sisu...

Agree 100% - you need to ask others not me (and as I just posted, knowing what parts of the kcic mailout others agree/disagree with would be a good starting point)

What slogan would you prefer/suggest? (and fyi I haven't suggested 'sisu out' as a slogan)

Forgot to say I agree 100% re PFJ. I've said many times before that I argued strongly against kcic being split off from the trust and when the ricoh group started I said that was disappointing too because what was needed was more unity not more groups. Maybe other groups could reply to the kcic...

So what's your alternative?

I really would be grateful if you would set out your vision please rather than put downs/insults.

I made a perfectly polite post with a reasonable question. Why do you reply like this?

You say you want sisu out (and I assume you agree sisu are bad for ccfc) but then you seem to argue in favour of them staying???

Looking at this from a campaigning perspective a lot of it is about taking complex points and honing them down to what is in effect a slogan. Flying kites is a way of testing options. If I'm understanding the critical posts on here correctly, no one is saying sisu are good for ccfc. So a slogan...

This is proving really interesting. Are any of the critics on here of the kcic mailout actually going to say 'sisu are good for us'? If not a single person is prepared to do so, does that mean there is 100% agreement that sisu are not good for ccfc? The kcic view has been set out clearly...

To be fair, the views of many posters on here (including me!) have been stated many times - the point I was interested on seeing responses to on here was 'suggestions for a better, realistic, feasible way of building a positive future that puts the team and fans first'. thx

Latest kcic mailout is With safety guaranteed we can breathe a sigh of relief and congratulate Steven Pressley and the team who against the odds have avoided relegation and along the way provided some real highlights this season – Moussa’s spectacular late, late equaliser at Preston being a...

'The value of investments can go down as well as up and there is no right to a return on investment. Discuss with regard to CCFC'

kcic’s approach of saying acl have questions to answer but sisu are primarily responsible for moving us to NTFC reflects mainstream opinion and it is those who are only concerned with being pro/anti acl/sisu that are at the extremes (is anyone really going to try arguing that kcic having a...