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That was the World Cup

Again- this talk of penalties being a lottery is a complete myth The teams with the best records in shootouts between the World Cup & Euros are Brazil, Germany, Argentina, France, Italy & Spain. Its not luck or a lottery at all. In the Euros we're out there on our own as having the worst...

Just catching up on the bbc website, they're making it sound like it was a warzone around Wembley & saying that banning orders are already being handed out, sounds like it wasn't pretty last night if all true

We have some really good players but we struggle with managers/ "head coaches" as they're called nowadays :) I'm not sure he'll go unless he really thinks this group can't go any further

You're right, I totally forgot they'd moved things around to be honest

Eddie Howe would be mentioned presumably

playing in that heat won't help us too much

100% spot on I’m sick of being “proud” of failure, it’s ok if you’re up against a much more talented team but last night that wasn’t the case, we laid down with barely a whimper after 25 mins It’s one thing breezing through the group and earlier rounds, but winners know how to approach and win...

I think we're onto something, but this tournament was it. We have the mentality of serial losers and thats a hard thing to change, last night was the chance to change it once and for all.

I didn't realise you were quite that old :)

So you wouldn't swap Italy's record for ours? World Cup: Winners x4 v our 1 Finals x6 v our 1 Semi Finals x8 v our 3 Euros: Winners x2 v our 0 Finals x4 v our 1 Semi Finals x6 v our 3 Italy are way, way above us. Last night we should have beaten them and I think we have better players now...

"Too many training sessions boss, I'm skipping this one"

I think its actually accepted that a few bungs happened in one of them, but the fact remains that Italy are in a different league to us when it comes to international football, nothing you can say changes that.

There you go again- "until this tournament"- you can't edit history, it happened, we bottled it and how the hell Saka ended up taking that penalty is baffling. As for Holland- 3 World Cup finals, 1 Euros win, multiple semi-finals. Don't know if I'd swap our record for theirs tbh as they haven't...

Only the losers call them a lottery

So you wouldn't swap Italy's record for ours? The point is we didn't defend the corner- might have beens, what ifs, maybes, had enough of those. Talk about fine margins all you want- we have a dire record, it has happened too often to be called "luck", and the most frustrating thing is that...

People ignore facts- no team has lost more penalty shootouts at major tournaments than us- we've won 3 and lost 7. When something happens repeatedly you can't just say its luck.

Maybe I'm missing something but when you're playing in a way that clearly has the opposition rattled, surely you stay playing that way, at least as much as you can. It was like two different teams last night.

These stats are not luck. 34 games unbeaten isn't luck, and Italy from memory never look amazing in tournaments- but its in their DNA to win when it matters, but its not in ours. Southgate is the man for me, he should definitely stay, but there are serious lessons here- we literally threw that...

I agree with this- the match stats suggest we were totally dominated, and it didn't need to be that way, I still think we had a better team & squad.