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2-1 preston, vale 10 men

Strange I was expecting an intelligent post from someone called freddiemong, appearances can be deceptive it seems.

we are 14, 15 or 16 to 1 to go down depending on the bookie.

51 points is probably enough BUT 51 is probably not enough if we finish on 51.

I'd have thought that waving a lit flame in the air during music or something emotional would have been around for hundreds or thousands of years.

Agreed, it shouldn't happen, I don't think it will happen but it easily could.

If we lose all 3 then I don't think 51 points will be enough and we'll be relegated. I don't think we will lose all 3 though 2-4 points seems reasonable and that will very easily be safe.

yes inflation linked as well, of course the future may be different to the past hence the reason I said in all likelyhood rather than guaranteed. Though the fact you could have done this almost anytime in the last 100 years means its a reasonable assumption to make, it's no guarantee though and...

In all but a few occasions over the last 100 years you could invest a sum of money and withdraw 4% a year from it without it running out. This is especially true if you are very occasionally willing to lower the 4% during the worst economic times. You don't stick a million quid in a current...

1 million pounds could in all likelihood give you a pre-tax income of £40,000(increased with inflation) a year for life (without working) you're nuts

Losing at the Ricoh breaks a team

You're being unreasonable, it's only been 2 years and already they've had a meeting with a council and drawn a pretty picture. The current plan is to move in just as the Ricoh has fallen down from old age in order to capture 365 days of revenue without a competitor. They arn't currently on...

you could argue though that the better we do from now till the end of the season the harder it will be to keep TM so while I'll still be hoping for a win to get rid of any small lingering worries about relegation perhaps the best thing for our long term future now is to only do ok till the end...

If we could end the days football now I'd be very happy indeed.

I believe they had no interest whatsoever in a full enquiry but knew full well there was no chance of it happening and knew it would play well in the media and too the fans, clever manipulation imo.

We arn't offtopic until Grendel brings up Andy Thorn.

you seem to have completely misread what I wrote and are only seeing what you want to see. I didn't say any of that, in fact I said the opposite for the most part.

Ok I'm off before I get annoyed. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said that just because the current situation isn't viable doesn't mean that the new stadium situation is, it's not, it's worse, significantly worse. does that suck? absolfriggenlutely, does that mean it's hard to see a...

none of that disagrees with my assertion that building a new stadium is worse financially than paying 1million in rent. The costs to borrow the money to build are going to be significantly more than paying even silly high rent even after taking into account the increased revenues, under the...

Now we agree, so lets leave it there, I've wasted too much time on internet forums for one day, I should really do something more productive.