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Otium is CCFC in effect. Basically they own the branding, trade mark. You could argue that the CCFC history was vested in CCFC Ltd and CCFC H Ltd but its all academic. SISU do not own Otium as far as we know. They are the managing agents of Sconset, an investment fund, that owns the shares in...

sure they have but how long ago were the latest round of FOI's with RBC that showed nothing going on?

They have been exploring this since at least 2014, when the idea was a land swap I believe, so you would have to say it has been a key part of their strategy for some time and not something that was done on a "maybe we could". However in that 2 years they do not seem to have got close to...

The SISU CCFC PR machine does a pretty good job of doing everyone else's PR for them to be honest ............. has never been one of their strengths even when they hired in professional spin doctors

so the idea of having training ground, academy and stadium on one site has bitten the dust then? or is the tenancy move to BPA just temporary? I assume that the timescale for all this would be 3 years ? ;)

always has been - as director, and owner of SISU Capital you would expect him to be, he shares the assets and liabilities of SISU and therefore joint and several liability for any decisions taking about SISU I think what the charges indicate is that Coleman and Seppala seem to control ARVO...

All assets and even shares owned by SBS&L in Otium are pledged as security to ARVO who at 31/05/2015 were owed £8m - it is not a mortgage in the same way as buying your home but it does mean that ARVO has first claim on any funds from asset sales The security or debenture is signed by Fisher...

the training ground stuff came out because it was in the RBC plan published last week.

what's next checking names at the ground against the petition before entry? ........;);) (am kidding......)

No surprise, always going to be the case I feel - and how a lot of clubs react to criticism or negative publicity thought SISU and CCFC were two separate things though, seems not At a time when engagement with the fans is vital, the club directors (who are tasked with acting in the best...

the pitch replacement would need to be in the RBC area wouldn't it? Everything is charged to ARVO so any funds are technically due to that entity Didn't Mogga say that one of the selling points for attracting new players was the standard of the training facilities? (having seen them the...

I would have much more problem with it had CCFC been refused then Wasps got the permission as an aside what it does highlight is that by thinking unconventionally there are deals to be done that could benefit a sports team that do not centre on the stadium site. In my opinion whoever the...

wasn't saying they would make £48m stupot that's an example top line a developer might make before deducting costs, I would think WSP Trading will sell the site on with full planning permission and take a profit on that which could be millions

clearly they have a good working relationship, and work together, as to what or who they are conspiring against by this particular deal not sure unless you tie it to the AHC situation in some way. Both seem to gain by this proposal. Could there be secret handshakes on plans/deals, not naiive...

as I understand it the thinking is that CCFC would be tenant taking all football related incomes, and having access/ability to putting on its own events etc on the BPA site

Just to give an indication on costs this old article from 2004 gives some information. Go to the Tables - regional stadium cost model. http://www.building.co.uk/cost-model-football-stadiums/3036931.article Have building costs increased since then? Will the BPA site present special problems for...

still comes back to I will believe it when I see it, still not convinced anything suitable for both can be done on that site One of the biggest problems I see for both CCFC & CRFC is the length of time it could take to get it done, neither club can afford long timescales and both could be gone...

Why do you need a separate management company when Otium is stand alone already? How do you get economies of scale if they are run as separate businesses. What are these economies of scale that cant be achieved now as it stands? Biggest cost for both is wages the next biggest is stadium...

If Wasps bought CCFC, I think you might find it would be CCFC siphoning off cash from Wasps not the other way round. Wasps buying CCFC doesn't necessarily mean that CCFC have any stake in the ground. Stadium costs would be exactly the same for the whole group just allocated differently and the...

I can not see why Wasps would (a) fail (b) leave.............. even if CCC lose the JR2 case (which I do not expect they will) Failure for the Wasps team does not mean failure for Wasps Holdings. For example in the 2015 Wasps accounts ticket income was 12% of total income so significantly...