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If we'd got out of this league the way they have I'd be delighted and I'd dismiss any criticism of the way we played as sour grapes.

Yeah, that's why the Lampard will be expected to make the play offs minimum line just isn't right. There's no minimum about it, that's our realistical aim. To get autos really would require something special, I hope for it, but don't expect it.

Could geography play a part in this as well? There's not that many teams in their region and only one EPL team. The west Mids/Midlands provides a lot more competition for talent.

Yeah, I think if we can keep making the play offs eventually it will go our way

But Sunderland were still miles off 3rd, though yes, they were comfortably 4th. Which just hilights, you get to the play offs and take it from there, even if the odds are stacked against you. But I think 3rd is a big ask. Not impossible, but a big ask

A move to the country that is home to the kebab? You haven't thought this through.......

No ones crying, just pointing out why he won't reach his ceiling, mainly in response to his fan boys naming clubs he might go to that there's not a cat in halls chance will sign him for the very reasons mentioned. I don't know why there's so much debate on here about him and O'Hare anyway...

We could do it and expecting to do it are two different things.

They'll be 4 teams with parachute payments in the league next year. I'm not sure we'll finish comfortably above any of them. Even if Leicester get the hefty deduction they deserve that still leaves 3.

What are you talking about? If he wants to go to a higher level, which he has the talent to do, he needs to be more professional, that's what people are saying and thats a fact. If he doesn't then fine. And if you don't think IT workers should comment on what professional footballers should do...

But saying top 6 is the minimum suggest that realistically we should do more. And closing a 31 point gap on the parachute payment teams isn't realistic in my opinion, not for Lampard, not for Robins, not for anyone managing City.

There's nothing wrong with what he said, he's merely pointing out why Hamer won't reach his ceiling. If he's happy doing what he's doing then fair enough but it will hold him back.

10 points off what? We were 31 points off autos, no way King is going to expect us to be top 2, and he's said as much in the past.

Nurse!

But things are cyclical in football, just wondering if this will be an era of ceding possesion, obviously not for every team, but I wonder if we'll see it more than we have done for some time.

Two Championship and league 2.

We didn't have much choice against Luton to be fair.

3, it includes all leagues and semis as well as finals. They were also in a relegation play off and lost that so its actually 10 attempts, no success!

I suppose it depends on what you consider success. No team relegated from the EPL is going to use it but if you consider survival a success then that's a different story. I suppose I'm asking because we struggled against it away from home towards the end of last season and I'm wondering if...

Or the low block as its now called. Are we entering an era of more and more teams deploying this tactic? Big games won by teams with low posseion stats in the last few weeks: Sunderland - play off semi 1st leg. Palace - FA cup final Spurs - Euopa league Aberdeen - Scottish Cup final This...