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Do you not think we wouldve went down if AB wasn't sacked

are you sure that you haven't just twisted it to fit you're agenda

Read again and tell me how I'm comparing them in terms of managerial ability as you and grendal are making me out to be saying

I said fergie had a rough start .didn't once say it is the same as thorns..I just said fergie had a rough start and fans wanted him out..again you're twisting my words and making them your own

I said fergie couldn't keep us up...I never once said Andy thorn is just as good a manager..you are making that up to fuel a pointless row

I hope he gets top 6.I fully expect every one of you bashers to be singing his praises.

I used fergie not as a factual reference.its just a saying..you know if the titanic was sky blue and all that(people would still trudge on about factual evidence as to why it still would've sunk)but yes you get my point..the only person that gets my point intact...sigh

OK.I'm categorically saying that I don't believe any manager would've saved us last season..Jesus are people really this picky on this forum.I'm just stating that fergie although a great man ..has always had the tools to do well..thorn hasnt

just picky really isn't it

and he also had and still has a very large transfer budget.

If we played badly and won would that be bad

You have just based a whole post stating his successes .I'm talking about before he succeeded and people wanted him out..you really must stop stating the obvious as I know now that fergie is a genius blah blah..but please reply to my point..before success there were a few crap years for united

Oh OK then joint 4th .blow me

why the mmmmmmmm

If that Malaga goal v sheff utd was given (as it was a goal) we would have won and be sitting pretty in the top 6.fact is that people on here would have a different approach.the fact we didn't win is not down to thorn..the fact we have 2 draws and thorn has a ZERO win ratio in league one is...

Couldn't have said it better myself

yes but the majority of things that happen on the pitch are down to the 11on the pitch

Your basing this assumption off the back of him managing the richest or one of the richest clubs in the world.but let's forget the first few years of his reign when united were poo and people...just like our lot wanted his head

so you are saying that frrgie would have kept us up..as much as you think the manager would influence the game past kick off..we conceded plenty of sloppy goals that ended up in defeat that in all fairness were down to player error positioning etc.if you think we could've been saved last season...

I think personally this season is the only season we can really judge thorn.I don't think fergie would've kept us up last season.so I'm going to do just that..it isn't just thorn that's failed here...proven managers have come here and failed one after the other...they must all be poo