Markelo vs Esse (2 Viewers)

Shannerz said:

He earnt a top flight move and commanded a hefty fee thanks to his performances in the Championship.

He needs to learn discipline, and will no doubt get a good Championship loan next year where he'll get the opportunity to do that.

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shmmeee said:

Lots of players have half a season of decent performances and then drop off. I just don’t think any champ side would give him the minutes based on what he is now, what he was a year ago isn’t really relevant. Either Millwall were desperate or he has regressed because right now he’s useless imo.

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Shannerz said:

He's hardly useless.

He's a very useful impact sub for us, and would play a larger part for other teams, no doubt.

He also had over 60 apps over three seasons for Millwall, pretty good involvement for such a young player. Hardly a half-season-wonder.

I'll be very surprised if he's not making a significant contribution for someone in the Championship next season.

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shmmeee said:

Is he? I don’t think he’s had much impact at all, o could count on one hand the moments he’s had. Like I say game of opinions.

He had very limited game time before his breakout season though, just 10-20 min cameos. Appearances can be deceiving (lol).

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shmmeee said:

Do you honestly think from what you’ve seen he’s capable at this level? Game of opinions and all that but I’ve not seen a loan this far out of his depth for a while.

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eastwoodsdustman said:

You can see why Palace paid £12 mill for him but also why their manager won’t pick him.
His decision making isn’t great and probably wont improve massively now. He will have been coached at academy level for 10-12 years and if it hadn’t sunk in by then then it probably won’t.

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TomRad85 said:

This is quite a recent thing where people seem to think that players this young are anywhere close to the finished article. A few ultra talented teenagers really have warped people's minds.
Feel free to go through our entire squad and see what they were up to at age 20. Esse is probably ahead of every single one of them.

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TomRad85 said:

This is quite a recent thing where people seem to think that players this young are anywhere close to the finished article. A few ultra talented teenagers really have warped people's minds.
Feel free to go through our entire squad and see what they were up to at age 20. Esse is probably ahead of every single one of them.

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shmmeee said:

Saying a player isn’t ready and needs a loan at a lower level is pretty standard for young players. Surely claiming this is some huge slight on them is claiming they’re the finished article?

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Brighton Sky Blue said:

Do you think he needs to go down to L1?

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shmmeee said:

Saying a player isn’t ready and needs a loan at a lower level is pretty standard for young players. Surely claiming this is some huge slight on them is claiming they’re the finished article?

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TomRad85 said:

I don't think you even read the post I responded to and took it as a response to you, which it wasn't.
All I'll say to you on this is there is absolutely no chance Esse goes on loan to League One.

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TomRad85 said:

This is quite a recent thing where people seem to think that players this young are anywhere close to the finished article. A few ultra talented teenagers really have warped people's minds.
Feel free to go through our entire squad and see what they were up to at age 20. Esse is probably ahead of every single one of them.

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shmmeee said:

Yeah for a season I think he’ll be able to learn the game where his natural talent will keep him in the side. I’m not sure not getting game time here or at palace is helping his development and the bits he’s missing from his game are mostly how to play in a system and game intelligence which you won’t get from training alone really.

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eastwoodsdustman said:

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Talent wise maybe. Decision making definitely not.
We have had loads of younger players who wouldn’t think of pirouetting two players on the edge of our own box.
David Smith, Gary Mcsheffrey, Ben Stevenson, Bayliss, Shipley, Eccles just to name a few.

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Brighton Sky Blue said:

Disagree, he’s too good for that level and won’t solve the problem.

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shmmeee said:

I think people are confusing having talent with the ball with being a good footballer tbh. His positioning and general play are miles off championship level. His ball manipulation is above it. He needs a team he can be a luxury player in until he learns how to play in a team and I don’t think you find that in the championship. I had high hopes for him based on the hype but he’s really not lived up to it for me.

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Brighton Sky Blue said:

If that were the case I really doubt Palace would pay 8 figures for him.

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shmmeee said:

What do you mean if? He can’t get in a championship side right now. It’s not theoretical

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TomRad85 said:

We're the best side in the league and he gets minutes in every game. He'd get similar minutes for literally every top half team and would likely start for the majority of the bottom half. On no planet does he end up in league one, I doubt he'll play a minute in his career at that level.

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shmmeee said:

Yeah for a season I think he’ll be able to learn the game where his natural talent will keep him in the side. I’m not sure not getting game time here or at palace is helping his development and the bits he’s missing from his game are mostly how to play in a system and game intelligence which you won’t get from training alone really.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

But maybe having it so he's struggling to get into the team will make him realise what he needs to add to his game and improve?

If he's a L1 level, playing most games and running rings round people where's his incentive to improve the positioning and decision making? He needs to be tested and that is going to be at Championship level. If he doesn't play all the time, it's on him to sort that out.

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shmmeee said:

I just think it’s clearly not got better with a year of PL training and now top level Champ training and is probably something you get from game time. There’s a reason most young players go out on loan to lower leagues. I’m not sure why people on here are acting like he’s so special he shouldn’t do what half our squad and players like Harry Kane have done and learn the game at a lower level for a season.

Anyway I seriously doubt we’ll try and sign him so it’s a moot point. He’ll probably go out on loan and fail to impress next season too. I just think he’d do better in a team he’s guaranteed starts in.

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shmmeee said:

I just think it’s clearly not got better with a year of PL training and now top level Champ training and is probably something you get from game time. There’s a reason most young players go out on loan to lower leagues. I’m not sure why people on here are acting like he’s so special he shouldn’t do what half our squad and players like Harry Kane have done and learn the game at a lower level for a season.

Anyway I seriously doubt we’ll try and sign him so it’s a moot point. He’ll probably go out on loan and fail to impress next season too. I just think he’d do better in a team he’s guaranteed starts in.

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Captain Dart said:

Esse is a temporary fix, we sorely needed backup for Tats Sakamoto, he has massive potential. I think he's improved the defensive side of his game here and is probably learning some discipline from the Saka's example. It remains to be seen how well his career will progress.

Markelo hasn't had much time here yet but he is clearly being trusted to see out games in the same way Paterson was.

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Ccfcisparks said:

he’s 29.

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