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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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chiefdave said:
This story is a bit mental. As much for the way it happened as the content.

A story was seeded in the Times at the weekend headlined 'HS2's latest challenge? Cutting the speed of its trains to save money'. The sub headline suggests a linear relationship between speed and cost with every 1mph costing £1bn.

The response from both railway enthusiasts and engineers was swift and unanimous. The article was complete nonsense that didn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The response of the journalist to questions about why he hadn't fact checked this with anyone with the slightest understanding of railway engineering was met with a shrugging gif.

Then today the other foot drops:

So now our new high speed line may run at 125mph rather than the intended, and designed for, 224mph.
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This would be the most ridiculous decision to date, would make the earlier decisions a waste of money to a greater extent. One of the major reasons it has cost so much to date is the insistence on the straightest possible route to allow for the fastest possible trains.

Reeves and co really are stupid stupid people utterly indoctrinated in the household budget analogy.
 
Captain Dart

Captain Dart

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chiefdave said:
This story is a bit mental. As much for the way it happened as the content.

A story was seeded in the Times at the weekend headlined 'HS2's latest challenge? Cutting the speed of its trains to save money'. The sub headline suggests a linear relationship between speed and cost with every 1mph costing £1bn.

The response from both railway enthusiasts and engineers was swift and unanimous. The article was complete nonsense that didn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The response of the journalist to questions about why he hadn't fact checked this with anyone with the slightest understanding of railway engineering was met with a shrugging gif.

Then today the other foot drops:

So now our new high speed line may run at 125mph rather than the intended, and designed for, 224mph.
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I think it was always about building a parallel line to relieve the existing antiquated main line which has been getting less and less easy to keep going but it was politically unacceptable to admit.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Captain Dart said:
I think it was always about building a parallel line to relieve the existing antiquated main line which has been getting less and less easy to keep going but it was politically unacceptable to admit.
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The messaging was completely wrong from the start. The biggest benefit is by having a high capacity route between major cities you relieve the demands on the current infrastructure which can then run more, and less crowded, regional services.

But from day one the messaging was 'get to London a few minutes faster'. Which just meant anyone who didn't live or work in London didn't perceive much benefit while they experienced a lot of disruption.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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chiefdave said:
This story is a bit mental. As much for the way it happened as the content.

A story was seeded in the Times at the weekend headlined 'HS2's latest challenge? Cutting the speed of its trains to save money'. The sub headline suggests a linear relationship between speed and cost with every 1mph costing £1bn.

The response from both railway enthusiasts and engineers was swift and unanimous. The article was complete nonsense that didn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The response of the journalist to questions about why he hadn't fact checked this with anyone with the slightest understanding of railway engineering was met with a shrugging gif.

Then today the other foot drops:

So now our new high speed line may run at 125mph rather than the intended, and designed for, 224mph.
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The whole thing is genuinely a disgrace.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Reform MPs throw a hissy and leave PMQs because they don’t like the answer Starmer gave to Nige.

Ironic.
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Let It Snow Christmas GIF
 
skybluejelly

skybluejelly

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The most embarrassing thing is that for every single question starmers answer is I didn’t joint the war against Iran .. are we going to hear it for the next for years until Labour are booted out
 
Grendel

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Grendel

Grendel

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Resident doctors now going on strike for 6 days. Yet Labour is the party of the unions.
 
Captain Dart

Captain Dart

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Sky Blue Pete said:
So sorry didn’t mean a smiley face! Terribly sad
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Thank you for your correction, I admit I was astonished after seeing at the slip you made it didn't seem in character.

There are a lot of euthanasia stories on twitter at the moment particularly in relation to 'MAID offers' in Canada.
How true & accurate they are I don't know but the whole agenda troubles me.
 
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CCFCSteve

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fernandopartridge said:
Dickhead Wes doing his tough guy act, the little weasel
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Nothing to do with Streeting. Pay review board suggested 3.5% pay rise for docs which goverment accepted. Resident doctors/BMA decided that warranted going on strike again even though they’ve had about 30% pay rise over the past 3 years, during which they’ve also been on strike numerous times which has done nothing to help NHS productivity (which cumulatively has been poor since 2019)

Said it before they’re the worst type of capitalists in progressives clothing.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
Nothing to do with Streeting. Pay review board suggested 3.5% pay rise for docs which goverment accepted. Resident doctors/BMA decided that warranted going on strike again even though they’ve had about 30% pay rise over the past 3 years, during which they’ve also been on strike numerous times which has done nothing to help NHS productivity (which cumulatively has been poor since 2019)

Said it before they’re the worst type of capitalists in progressives clothing.
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If the government returned to collective bargaining with public sector unions instead of deferring it to these pay bodies it would probably lead to better outcomes including less industrial action.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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CCFCSteve said:
Nothing to do with Streeting. Pay review board suggested 3.5% pay rise for docs which goverment accepted. Resident doctors/BMA decided that warranted going on strike again even though they’ve had about 30% pay rise over the past 3 years, during which they’ve also been on strike numerous times which has done nothing to help NHS productivity (which cumulatively has been poor since 2019)

Said it before they’re the worst type of capitalists in progressives clothing.
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It's worth looking at the remit the PRB is given really. It is told in its letter from the SoS about the fact the Spending Review stating that all pay has to come from departmental budgets. So let's be honest it is hardly going to recommend anything other than broadly what ministers expect.

It is very strange that the MP independent pay board reached a different conclusion as to the level of increase for MPs. Of course the remit letter wouldn't have said anything about departmental budgets.
 
ccfc1292

ccfc1292

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Can try and piss Russia off, but Starmer can't stop dinghies of equipped and prepared men crossing the channel 🙄🤣
 

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Captain Dart

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PVA said:
Small boat crossings are down ~25% this year compared to the same period last year.
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We're still in March.
 
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PVA

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Covid Inquiry stuff coming out.

Johnson and Hancock should be in prison.


The Module 2 report lays out the missed opportunities, delayed decisions, a refusal to learn, a downplaying or failure to believe advice from SAGE, and a general unseriousness on the part of government.

Professor Edmunds, who served on the SAGE modelling subgroup Spi-M, testified that the failure to act to control the second wave “was not because of a lack of situational awareness or knowledge of how to control it. We let this second wave happen.”2 . Professor McLean, now the UK’s Chief Scientific Advisor, described it as the worst period of pandemic, saying:

“We could see what was coming and could not understand why the government did not act upon the science advice by introducing effective interventions”3
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This isn’t speaking with the luxury of hindsight - witness after witness testified that SAGE was warning what was coming at the time.
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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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I am by no means defending Johnson and Hancock but they will just argue that they had to balance the other consequences of a stronger intervention. Although Britain's economic performance has lagged behind a lot of Europe anyway.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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fernandopartridge said:
I am by no means defending Johnson and Hancock but they will just argue that they had to balance the other consequences of a stronger intervention. Although Britain's economic performance has lagged behind a lot of Europe anyway.
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History may not look that favourably on them but equally I think there will be bewilderment about the whole lockdown strategy
 
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