Match Thread Stoke City - Coventry City [FA] Match Thread - Saturday 10th Jan (2 Viewers)

A-Lighter-Shade-Of-Blue

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Are you talking about complacency? It does seem as though there's an element of 'expectation' rather than clear assertion now, but as somebody has mentioned elsewhere (can't remember where), it feels like teams have 'worked us out' a little and yes, combined with the obvious fatigue (from illness and lack of rotation / injuries) that we've dropped off and cannot properly change our style / approach. I agree about Rudoni - I think it's fair to say we all like him (we do don't we?) and appreciate him, but there's something about his inclusion since returning which has made the team dynamic falter. Back to basics with him, I think, and he shouldn't overcomplicate or believe that he can and should control everything - just my opinion. I think there'll be some familar faces in the squad and it might be more of an indication of who he thinks needs to 'show' a bit more, if only for two thirds or so of the game. I think Wright will be one of them. He should be. The ol' saying, 'Can he do it on a cold, wet day in Stoke?' or whatever the f*** it is - you get my drift. I'm not convinced by the guy, but always want him to prove me wrong.
I don't think it complacency. The dip to me looks like a combination of how Rudoni is paying and the loss of Torp...
6 Dec – Lost 3–0 Ipswich → Torp missing
9 Dec – Drew 1–1 Preston → Torp missing
13 Dec – Won 1–0 Bristol → Torp returns, but clearly still recovering from illness
20 Dec – Drew 1–1 Southampton → Torp plays, but down to 10 men - although the 1st half was good.
26 Dec – Won 1–0 Swansea → Torp plays
29 Dec – Lost 2–0 Ipswich → Torp plays but is not fully fit, carrying an injury, not making the runs, hooked in the second half
4 Jan – Lost 3–2 Birmingham → Torp missing

Frank mentioned in his press conference earlier about a 'reset'. For me, the fix isn’t complicated. Get Torp fit, making those early-season runs, and sort out what we want Rudoni to be.
 

David O'Day

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That went under the radar, but a good thing imo, the rule never made much sense.
Probably because no one can be arsed to explain what the new rule actually means

The wording is:

"A Player shall only play for one Club in the Competition during the same Season, save that a Player that has played for one Club in the Qualifying Competition and/or the Competition Proper may play for a maximum of one other Club in the Competition Proper (but may only play for a maximum of one Club in any given round of the Competition)."
 

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Probably because no one can be arsed to explain what the new rule actually means

The wording is:

"A Player shall only play for one Club in the Competition during the same Season, save that a Player that has played for one Club in the Qualifying Competition and/or the Competition Proper may play for a maximum of one other Club in the Competition Proper (but may only play for a maximum of one Club in any given round of the Competition)."
The wording is terrible lol

“A player shall play for a maximum of two clubs in the competition and may not play for both in the same round”

Ez
 

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Probably because no one can be arsed to explain what the new rule actually means

The wording is:

"A Player shall only play for one Club in the Competition during the same Season, save that a Player that has played for one Club in the Qualifying Competition and/or the Competition Proper may play for a maximum of one other Club in the Competition Proper (but may only play for a maximum of one Club in any given round of the Competition)."
Couldn't be clearer
 

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Just read that Stoke's keeper Johansson has had shoulder surgery and likely out for the rest of the season

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David O'Day

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Just read that Stoke's keeper Johansson has had shoulder surgery and likely out for the rest of the season
Shame for us as he is just as likely to make a wonder save as throw it in his own net.
 
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Changed my mind on this. I want us to get through.

I don't want first team starters playing loads of minutes, risking injury or suspension, but why not play a nice mix to try and get through?

It brings money, good feeling, winning mentality back, minutes in the legs of those not regularly in match sharpness to be ready to step in when called upon and our squad size is increasing slightly, so helps keep fringe players happy.

Since the tie was announced, I've been advocating, get out of the competition, it's a distraction that we don't need, but for the reasons above, I now want to win.

Stoke 0 City 2
 
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Changed my mind on this. I want us to get through.

I don't want first team starters playing loads of minutes, risking injury or suspension, but why not play a nice mix to try and get through?

It brings money, good feeling, winning mentality back, minutes in the legs of those not regularly in match sharpness to be ready to step in when called upon and our squad size is increasing slightly, so helps keep fringe players happy.

Since the tie was announced, I've been advocating, get out of the competition, it's a distraction that we don't need, but for the reasons above, I now want to win.

Stoke 0 City 2

Would love another pop at Man Utd.

Realistically though this season our focus should be to prioritise the league.
 

procdoc

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I genuinely want us to go out, if we get a big team in the next round we’ll play a strong 11 and if you get through again you start to take the competition seriously. We have 20 cup finals left we don’t need any distractions.
For me winning breeds confidence and winning this would get us back in the groove
 

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For me winning breeds confidence and winning this would get us back in the groove

Our FA Cup run to the Man Utd SF probably helped derail our league aspirations that season.

We've got such a great shot at winning the league, my personal view is that we don't need any extra games that will fatigue the players or risk injury.

I get the confidence thing and minutes into legs of fringe players but we can get confidence from winning league games and cementing promotion
 

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Our FA Cup run to the Man Utd SF probably helped derail our league aspirations that season.

We've got such a great shot at winning the league, my personal view is that we don't need any extra games that will fatigue the players or risk injury.

I get the confidence thing and minutes into legs of fringe players but we can get confidence from winning league games and cementing promotion

We'll also have,a much better chance of progressing if we're a PL side as opposed to a championship one
 
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Changed my mind on this. I want us to get through.

I don't want first team starters playing loads of minutes, risking injury or suspension, but why not play a nice mix to try and get through?

It brings money, good feeling, winning mentality back, minutes in the legs of those not regularly in match sharpness to be ready to step in when called upon and our squad size is increasing slightly, so helps keep fringe players happy.

Since the tie was announced, I've been advocating, get out of the competition, it's a distraction that we don't need, but for the reasons above, I now want to win.

Stoke 0 City 2
I initially said I don't care about this game, and in itself, I don't.

For the moral of the team, though, I think a win's really important. We need one.
 
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procdoc

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Our FA Cup run to the Man Utd SF probably helped derail our league aspirations that season.

We've got such a great shot at winning the league, my personal view is that we don't need any extra games that will fatigue the players or risk injury.

I get the confidence thing and minutes into legs of fringe players but we can get confidence from winning league games and cementing promotion
It’s ok we can go out in the next round!
 
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Interesting stat and one for the records.
Stoke have already lost at home to Coventry in the Championship this season. Just three teams have won twice away against the Potters in the same campaign – Newcastle United (1950-51), Luton Town (1984-85) and Liverpool (2015-16).
How likely are teams to play away against another team twice in a season?
 
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Our FA Cup run to the Man Utd SF probably helped derail our league aspirations that season.

We've got such a great shot at winning the league, my personal view is that we don't need any extra games that will fatigue the players or risk injury.

I get the confidence thing and minutes into legs of fringe players but we can get confidence from winning league games and cementing promotion

In hindsight we lost our defensive coach and our manager and assistant had an epic falling out which must have contributed.
 

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I don't think it complacency. The dip to me looks like a combination of how Rudoni is paying and the loss of Torp...
6 Dec – Lost 3–0 Ipswich → Torp missing
9 Dec – Drew 1–1 Preston → Torp missing
13 Dec – Won 1–0 Bristol → Torp returns, but clearly still recovering from illness
20 Dec – Drew 1–1 Southampton → Torp plays, but down to 10 men - although the 1st half was good.
26 Dec – Won 1–0 Swansea → Torp plays
29 Dec – Lost 2–0 Ipswich → Torp plays but is not fully fit, carrying an injury, not making the runs, hooked in the second half
4 Jan – Lost 3–2 Birmingham → Torp missing

Frank mentioned in his press conference earlier about a 'reset'. For me, the fix isn’t complicated. Get Torp fit, making those early-season runs, and sort out what we want Rudoni to be.
Get Torp and BTA back fit. Drop Rudoni to the bench, pick the best 2 from the 4 wingers available and get back to scoring for fun and winning matches

Simples
 

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We should play the new boys, give Wilson his head in goal, that sort of thing. Though it won't be wholesale changes. Have first choices on the bench if it looks like we may need it but we do not want to use players that truly need a break such as Grimes. It's difficult, if we can muster a win without too much agro then yes great. But the league is so, so important.
 

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