Oh we can all see what the crime statistics say, and I'm not going to argue with officially recorded data. Where I disagree with you is in using it to smear entire countries and people looking to move here from those places. I find that a very ugly thing to do that will lead to us refusing entry to people coming here to work hard and contribute to society.
@rob9872 sarcastically goes on about 'doctors and engineers' too. Putting it as respectfully as I can, why keep making that sarcastic point as though we don't have huge numbers of immigrants here in those and other professions where we don't have enough home grown labour or people prepared to do undesirable work on low wages?
I put it to you both that the vast majority of immigrants are law abiding people wanting to contribute to society. The numbers bear that out also. Stop smearing entire groups of people and we can have a balanced conversation on sustainable immigration.
It’s sarcastic because people like Darren Jones goes on BBC QT to trot out the line that small boat crossings are full of ‘women and children’.
The vast majority are law abiding. But are they economically productive? There are some nationalities of migrants where 30-40% of them end up on benefits… firstly, the welfare state cannot sustain that. More pertinently, that isn’t morally correct.
A westerner to migrate anywhere in the world you’d expect the following:
- proof of funds to sustain themselves
- proof of employment / sponsor
- proficiency in the native language / English
The T&Cs of entry is that they remain in employment and if not, you’re out.
We’re in large agreement on what needs to be controlled and how. When building an immigration system, you obviously need to positively discriminate for ‘desirable’ characteristics a negatively towards ‘undesirable’. This will invariably favour middle-class migrants from developed countries. These types of migrants integrate v easily and not many people will have issues with this.
Yep really difficult questions
The increase in intolerance and violence is not just linked to second generation immigration or those coming on boats
And …. No one is even focusing on these issues.
Disenfranchised people
Lack of opportunity
Lack of value
Lack of self worth
Lack of hope
Easy answers that point fingers of blame at certain groups and once they have gone all will be idyllic
Maybe it’s time to get off this crazy planet and admit defeat
Or lack of cultural compatibility? There are people in this world
Look up Sayyid Qutb. To summarise: came from a decent background in Egypt, was secular and upon visiting the USA was disgusted by the materialism in capitalist societies and became a forefather for modern day terrorist groups.
Not everyone shares a liberal worldview Pete.
The irony in the doctors and engineers comment is that in my last few years of going to different hospitals and GP's the vast majority are from ethnic minority backgrounds.
We just arent producing enough "British" Dr's to meet our demand.
Obviously this isnt to say we dont have an immigration problem, but there seems to be no balance.
The same posters went quiet on the train attack when it came out the hero in the situation was a migrant.
The treasury has systemically defunded healthcare training places because it has outsourced this to imported labour. It’s cynical.
On the Huntingdon train example, he is one hero and deserves all the public praise. It’s not a valid justification for mass migration.
