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BBC News or the one's sent down lol?
Immigration and Asylum (21 Viewers)
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BBC News or the one's sent down lol?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Uxbridge triple stabbing leaves one man dead and two injured - BBC News
A 22-year-old man was arrested at the scene and remains in police custody, the Met Police said.www.bbc.co.uk
Another one down the list of breaking news on the BBC website...
Looks like it was an Afghan national.
I am curious on what terms he was supposed to be here.
Grendel
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There is clearly a growing problem and I’m not sure what the solution is.
I have just been in a rather long queue at the chemist and this very old guy was being messed around a bit, the chemist takes far too much on.
I said it’s always like this and he then launched into the fact that there are too many - let’s be polite and say ethnic minorities - and then said the surgery he’s been too is all blackies - blah blah
We are heading into a downward spiral here but there has to be acknowledgment that there needs to be some equilibrium and recognition of some people’s frustrations
I have just been in a rather long queue at the chemist and this very old guy was being messed around a bit, the chemist takes far too much on.
I said it’s always like this and he then launched into the fact that there are too many - let’s be polite and say ethnic minorities - and then said the surgery he’s been too is all blackies - blah blah
We are heading into a downward spiral here but there has to be acknowledgment that there needs to be some equilibrium and recognition of some people’s frustrations
Evo1883
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Ive just seen the video footage of this incident , pretty horrific
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Me too, and I wish I hadn't.
TomRad85
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What the fuck is happening to this country?
Gynnsthetonic
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What lovely people these asylum seekers are!
And people stick up for them. This country is fucked!
And people stick up for them. This country is fucked!
LarryGrayson
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Hull anti-migrant protestors silence grooming victim | Searchlight
Anti-migrant campaigners in Hull physically threw a rape survivor off the platform when she tried to tell the crowd she had been sexually abused not by an i ...
searchlightmagazine.com
Man arrested for racially aggravated rape of Indian-origin student in UK
The assault occurred on Saturday, when the victim, a Punjabi student recently settled in the UK, was walking alone through a dimly lit street.
indianexpress.com
What lovely people these whites are!
And people stick up for them. This country is fucked!
just saying lick
Gynnsthetonic
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Unfortunately the people you pointed out are born here. These unchecked immigrants carrying out murders and rapes shouldn't be let in. But i suppose you'll oppose that as normal and say it's good for cultural integration.Hull anti-migrant protestors silence grooming victim | Searchlight
Anti-migrant campaigners in Hull physically threw a rape survivor off the platform when she tried to tell the crowd she had been sexually abused not by an i ...
Man arrested for racially aggravated rape of Indian-origin student in UK
The assault occurred on Saturday, when the victim, a Punjabi student recently settled in the UK, was walking alone through a dimly lit street.
What lovely people these whites are!
And people stick up for them. This country is fucked!
just saying lick
LarryGrayson
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you seem to be saying dont help rape victims or peeple who watch there family shot at point range in front of em thats not a nice way to think
Gynnsthetonic
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I havnt said that at all so why make it up. What's you view on the Afgan killing the dog walker or the Sudanese illegal killing the Walsall hotel worker. Wouldn't of happened if we weren't so soft letting these murderers in.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's an alt account that is on the troll. Don't bother engaging and giving them attention.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not nice when posters make random shit up is it?
I just can't keep up anymore.
I am disgusted at those cases.
Action has to be taken, one is not putting the wider public at risk doing there everyday work no way should that woman be exposed to these lot while the hotel owners are cashing in, it's time to intern them.
What I will say is that the general racism is should not be tolerated I see there was another case of an Asian being raped in the black country recently.
fatso
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He hasn't said that at all, so why be so antagonistic?
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Yep, ignoring the problem for too long has fuelled v dark opinions underneath legitimate concerns.
The other day I was driving somewhere and BBC R2 did the headlines and it was ‘x’ asylum seeker commits a violent crime, something about world affairs and then ‘y’ asylum seeker commits a violent crime.
This isn’t Twitter rabbit holes, it’s the BBC. Some of the responses to these crimes of ‘oh this British person did a crime’ is just a disingenuous deflection tactic.
Frankly, migrants or asylum seekers who break our laws have violated their terms of their stay. Therefore, need to be deported and if the current legal framework doesn’t achieve this, that needs to be reformed.
British born criminals are obviously a scourge on society. They are fundamentally our problem that we need to deal with using the criminal justice system.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But because immigration is such a hot topic now there are so many outlets, especially social media, looking for those cases involving immigrants that even at the BBC it reaches their feeds and they know it will generate reaction and get them views so they add it in.
There will undoubtedly be native people committing violent crime as well, but they don't generate the same interest and so don't get the focus or pushed to the top of feeds.
It's like with plane crashes etc. If there's a serious crash there'll suddenly be a few stories about plane crashes in the following weeks because it's a hot topic.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Do you acknowledge that there could be a problem at all, out of curiosity?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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We're getting dangerously close to the "lefties aren't listening to people's concerns" shite again aren't we? If you look over my posting history on the topic you'll see numerous occasions where I agree that high levels of immigration are putting pressure on public services and provisions such as housing, education and health, purely due to extra demand being put on them (though this would also be the same for any rapid population growth, natural or imported, and I doubt many of those complaining would be as outraged if we had a high birth rate). I've also said that there are language and cultural barriers that pose problems.
I've also stated in the past that immigrants convicted of serious crimes should lose their right to stay here, though there would of course be the lengthy due process of the law to go through for that to happen. I've even mooted a driving licence style points system whereby immigrants would accrue points for minor crimes and offences, and even possibly for things like not having an acceptable standard of English after a certain length of time, and if they reach a certain amount of points their right to remain here is revoked.
Do you acknowledge that the likes of Farage, Trump and the right wing media are blowing this out of proportion and reporting things inaccurately to deliberately blame immigrants to take the focus off the main problem, which is people like themselves not allowing a fairer distribution of wealth, out of curiosity?
Mucca Mad Boys
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No, I don’t think this is being blown out of proportion at all and MoJ data actually supports this.
From what I gather, you do seem to acknowledge that there’s a problem with migrant crime. Is that correct?
The secondary issue is that successive governments have shown they’re incapable of deporting migrants/asylum seekers when they commit crimes.
Farage wouldn’t be in business if one of the previous governments actually had the political will to resolve these issues. Starmer and Sunak have both made the same issue of staking their personal reputations on resolving the small boats issue and on their watches, it’s got worse.
torchomatic
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I've genuinely not looked at the figures but is migrant crime higher than crime committed by people who were born in the UK? Or is it just blown out of proportion by the populists?
EDIT: Totally disgree with the "Farage wouldn't be in business" comment. That is bollocks. He has always stoked hatred and he always will. Since BREXIT there has been a groundswell in support from people he is targetting and making angry.
rob9872
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Can't comment on the first bit, I don't have the answers.
On Farage, I don't think he'd be relevant and able to gain the traction he had if either the Tories or the current gov't had made some progress in dealing with the issues. Instead whilst things are getting worse it's an easy soundbite from him (and others) and the longer that continues, the more disenfranchised with mainstream parties the average voter becomes and the more he becomes 'relevant'. I don't have the answers, but some real progressive thinking needed somewhere or it will happen and there are no winners.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It depends what criminal offences you are talking about, and the figures also vary based on country.
For example, people from Luxembourg in the UK will commit less crime, but people from Afghanistan significantly more.
Unsurprisingly, those from countries or religious backgrounds that treat women like second class citizens are overrepresented in sexual crime statistics. Here is a good example:
There were 87 nationalities with a higher conviction rate for sexual offences than the British population. In 2024, these nationalities were awarded 557,041 long-term visas by the Home Office. (Source)
rob9872
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The guy who was jailed (sex offender a week after arriving) and then was released in error has now been deported.
I know people want these kind deported, but where is the justice? Yes we're incurring cost to keep him in jail, but he's now basically free only a month after being convicted of serious offences and sentenced to 12 months. What about justice for the victims?
He's also been given £500 to 'ease deportation'. Not only is that a complete joke when we have a homeless problem who can't get handouts like that, but he'll probably use it to come back again. Had £75 when wrongly released last week that he spent too.
I know people want these kind deported, but where is the justice? Yes we're incurring cost to keep him in jail, but he's now basically free only a month after being convicted of serious offences and sentenced to 12 months. What about justice for the victims?
He's also been given £500 to 'ease deportation'. Not only is that a complete joke when we have a homeless problem who can't get handouts like that, but he'll probably use it to come back again. Had £75 when wrongly released last week that he spent too.
Ccfcisparks
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Can’t have it both ways unfortunately. you either get “justice” and house the cost, or we deport and they go “free”
Mucca Mad Boys
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In terms of raw numbers, Brits will obviously lead most, if not all categories. The MoJ shows a 1/4 of sex offences are committed by foreign nationals (around 10% of the population). In London, that figure is 40% and what these figures do not actually highlighted is crimes committed by foreign-born British citizens. 1 in 5 jailed for drugs too. Jan to Oct 2024, foreign nationals were x2 likely to be arrested for a crime compared to UK born.
Between 2021 and 2024 crime rose (foreign born v UK born):
- Sex-related crimes: 62% v 39.3%
- Thefts: 77.9% v 55.8%
- Robberies: 18.9% v 2.8%
Far from stoking hatred, there’s actual data that supports the claims Farage or Jenrick make. This Labour government could make some really popular decisions and ‘quick wins’ by addressing these issues.
Farage would be out of business and this is exactly what happened when the Johnson government introduced the points system and it looked like immigration was solved. Unfortunately it wasn’t. With Reform polling at 30% and above, it’s no longer ‘stoking hatred’, there’s legitimate concerns the electorate want solving and have lost trust in Labour and the Tories to deliver.
Take inspiration from Denmark’s centre-left government. They took robust actions of immigration and asylum and guess what? Immigration is no longer primary electoral issue there. Johnson squandered a massive opportunity to resolve the countries anxieties on immigration and that ‘betrayal’ is why the Tories are facing electoral oblivion and the same fate awaits Labour if they continue to fail.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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@SBAndy you will have to explain the humour in this one. I'm not sure exactly how it manges to earn the laughing emoji badge.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Where did it say he’d been given £500?
Grendel
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Pretty easy to find!
Hadush Kebatu: Migrant sex offender given £500 after threat to disrupt deportation
Hadush Kebatu was flown to Ethiopia after being recaptured in London following a two-day manhunt.
www.bbc.co.uk
Mucca Mad Boys
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Pretty much any country that records nationality of offenders finds the same reoccurring patterns. There’s a much higher levels of criminality and welfare dependency from nations and regions of the world that are poorer and more violent. Which is not unexpected.
For example, you’re just not going to see Japanese migrants be overrepresented in crime statistics. Afghan, Syrian, Somalia (to name a few) are almost always overrepresented in these statistics.
It isn’t racist or ‘stoking hatred’ to point that out. You use data to make informed decisions and in this case, there needs to be a highly selective system of who is granted entry. It really is as simple as that.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Ah, so he caused a huge fuss about boarding the plane and they gave him £500 to behave. Will keep that in mind for my next holidayPretty easy to find!
Hadush Kebatu: Migrant sex offender given £500 after threat to disrupt deportation
Hadush Kebatu was flown to Ethiopia after being recaptured in London following a two-day manhunt.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Sure, then imagine being a law abiding Afghan being denied entry because some of his compatriots are criminals.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Nothing beats a Jet2 holiday.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Never done an all inclusive, won’t start now
Grendel
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He will be back next week and get some more!