Do you want to discuss boring politics? (40 Viewers)

Nick · 2025-09-25T21:49:30+0100

My mate lost his job and was on job seekers for 2 months. In that time he had a prescription and on the advice on the chemist he got it for free and ticked the box for being on benefits. Turns out he wasn't on the right type of benefits so has had a penalty notice about claiming one prescription while on the wrong type of job seekers in between jobs. They can see all the prescriptions before and since that he's paid for.

Somebody can turn up tomorrow and get it completely free along with dental treatment.

Sick Boy · 2025-09-25T21:52:43+0100

Evo1883 said:
I imagine it will be a physical card .. like you said whats the point of it ?

It’ll be digital. I have a digital ID, health card, driving license - I don’t see why people get so worked up about it.

Grendel · 2025-09-25T22:25:00+0100

Starmer now comparing Burnham to Liz Truss

Gynnsthetonic · 2025-09-25T22:51:33+0100

Question Time on BBC1 in Bedworth tonight

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-09-26T00:01:27+0100

Nick said:
I don't carry them all with me all the time anyway as I don't need to carry my passport to go to the shop?

You do if it's Iceland.

SIR ERNIE · 2025-09-26T00:12:19+0100

Evo1883 said:
Ok but let's talk about starmers argument about preventing illegal immigration , it hasn't at all stopped that in europe

More gaslighting from Davos Man.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-09-26T00:15:28+0100

Next piece of evidence in 'Trump is a fascist'

Signing a deal to bring TikTok under US control and 'quipping' he'd make the algorithm "100% MAGA".

And of course the fact he's using almost endless executive orders so he can avoid having to pass anything through government.

Also, can we just ban some online US companies unless they're brough under UK control? We did invent the internet after all. I was thinking we could start with Twitter and TruthSocial

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2025-09-26T06:09:35+0100

Sick Boy said:
How does it control people? I have one and a health ID and it’s impossible to access public services on and offline without one. Isn’t this what people want?

I guess you could rephrase the question, do you trust the government to use your data for the great of good, or use it against you? I absolutely do not trust them.

I can understand some of the arguments for it, but I don't think they'll be able to deliver it properly anyway.

chiefdave · 2025-09-26T08:14:29+0100

Under the proposal, anyone starting a new job would need to show the ID

Does this not happen already? Every job I've ever had, some times even at interview stage, I've had to provide my passport and / or driving license.

Sick Boy · 2025-09-26T08:17:29+0100

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I guess you could rephrase the question, do you trust the government to use your data for the great of good, or use it against you? I absolutely do not trust them.

I can understand some of the arguments for it, but I don't think they'll be able to deliver it properly anyway.

You’ve likely given the same data away (if not more, as you’re also required to give fingerprints) just to enter places like Thailand and the USA.

The amount is data that’s being recorded online about you is far greater than what’s required for an ID card.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-09-26T08:23:18+0100

Nick said:
My mate lost his job and was on job seekers for 2 months. In that time he had a prescription and on the advice on the chemist he got it for free and ticked the box for being on benefits. Turns out he wasn't on the right type of benefits so has had a penalty notice about claiming one prescription while on the wrong type of job seekers in between jobs. They can see all the prescriptions before and since that he's paid for.

Somebody can turn up tomorrow and get it completely free along with dental treatment.

He should appeal

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2025-09-26T08:43:15+0100

Sick Boy said:
You’ve likely given the same data away (if not more, as you’re also required to give fingerprints) just to enter places like Thailand and the USA.

The amount is data that’s being recorded online about you is far greater than what’s required for an ID card.

Yes agreed, that's a separate point though.

Pornhub might have my data, but they're not going to link it back to my twitter account and put me in prison if I make a dodgy tweet.

Nick · 2025-09-26T08:44:50+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
He should appeal

It says on the letter that advice from chemist or GP isn't a reason.

It's a piss take.

Nick · 2025-09-26T08:45:30+0100

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I guess you could rephrase the question, do you trust the government to use your data for the great of good, or use it against you? I absolutely do not trust them.

I can understand some of the arguments for it, but I don't think they'll be able to deliver it properly anyway.

But they already have all that data?

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-09-26T08:52:27+0100

Nick said:
I can't work without my national insurance number though? Not legally.

It won't make a difference to people working cash in hand or people like Uber eats where there just rent their accounts out.

This is a fair point, the gig economy is still barely regulated.

Sick Boy · 2025-09-26T08:52:45+0100

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes agreed, that's a separate point though.

Pornhub might have my data, but they're not going to link it back to my twitter account and put me in prison if I make a dodgy tweet.

The government/the state already has the data though.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2025-09-26T09:04:16+0100

Sick Boy said:
The government/the state already has the data though.

It's the direction they're going in that concerns me. I don't think we can trust them whatsoever.

Grendel · 2025-09-26T09:07:27+0100

chiefdave said:
Does this not happen already? Every job I've ever had, some times even at interview stage, I've had to provide my passport and / or driving license.

No. It’s the NI number that accountants need to get payroll details.

Up to 9 million drivers don’t even have a photo driving licence

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-09-26T09:22:00+0100

Nick said:
It says on the letter that advice from chemist or GP isn't a reason.

It's a piss take.

I got mp involved as it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut when someone makes a genuine error rather than tries to defraud the nhs

Nick · 2025-09-26T09:23:04+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
I got mp involved as it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut when someone makes a genuine error rather than tries to defraud the nhs

Also they don't make it clear. It just says if you're on job seekers, so people will tick the box.

Usually stood in a chemist surrounded by people getting it for free.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-09-26T09:25:21+0100

Nick said:
Also they don't make it clear. It just says if you're on job seekers, so people will tick the box.

Usually stood in a chemist surrounded by people getting it for free.

My daughter had an exemption while at uni that ran out so fair enough that was on her
So we paid one she then got another so I got quite frustrated. Long story short despite being told nothing they could do they wiped the second and all other penalties for the period quite rightly

I think your friends is similar if it’s misleading the form needs changing and penalty waived

Nick · 2025-09-26T09:28:16+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
My daughter had an exemption while at uni that ran out so fair enough that was on her
So we paid one she then got another so I got quite frustrated. Long story short despite being told nothing they could do they wiped the second and all other penalties for the period quite rightly

I think your friends is similar if it’s misleading the form needs changing and penalty waived

It's just a piss take when somebody works all their life.

Kind of shit that makes people want to put flags on lampposts.

mmttww · 2025-09-26T09:28:53+0100

chiefdave said:
Does this not happen already? Every job I've ever had, some times even at interview stage, I've had to provide my passport and / or driving license.

Yeah, same here. Had a bunch of interviews over the last few years and usually had to give proof of name and often of address at that point. Don't know at which stage in the process it's mandated but collecting it at that point seems to be the way most firms handle it.

rob9872 · 2025-09-26T09:30:10+0100

Gynnsthetonic said:
Question Time on BBC1 in Bedworth tonight

Thoughts and prayers

SBT · 2025-09-26T09:32:23+0100

Nick said:
Kind of shit that makes people want to put flags on lampposts.

I thought people only did this because they were patriotic?

chiefdave · 2025-09-26T09:34:19+0100

Nick said:
It says on the letter that advice from chemist or GP isn't a reason.

Would he not have been on income support if he was unemployed which would then qualify him for free prescriptions.

Unless he only applied for contribution based JSA and has over £16K in the bank he would be eligible wouldn't he.

Obvious question but has he actually checked they haven't made a mistake?

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-09-26T09:34:24+0100

Nick said:
It's just a piss take when somebody works all their life.

Kind of shit that makes people want to put flags on lampposts.

It shouldn’t as we have to pay and people can just sign a form to say they’re exempt when they’re not

chiefdave · 2025-09-26T09:37:13+0100

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Pornhub might have my data, but they're not going to link it back to my twitter account and put me in prison if I make a dodgy tweet.

There's far more data being aggregated than most people realise. There's every chance if not the sites themselves then a third party has linked your pornhub account to your twitter account as part of a profile they have built on you.

And they will then sell that information to anyone who wants it.

Will be interesting to see how many people who dismissed any concerns over random, unvetted and offshore companies holding your data under the guise of age verification now have concerns about this.

PVA · 2025-09-26T09:43:04+0100

chiefdave said:
There's far more data being aggregated than most people realise.

100% this. Got no issue with my driving license/passport/health record being centralised in one place. The government already has this info what difference does it make if it's all centralised?

Nick · 2025-09-26T09:48:14+0100

chiefdave said:
Would he not have been on income support if he was unemployed which would then qualify him for free prescriptions.

Unless he only applied for contribution based JSA and has over £16K in the bank he would be eligible wouldn't he.

Obvious question but has he actually checked they haven't made a mistake?

No idea, he just applied for JSA as normal and got it for a month I think.

Not exactly clear when you pick up a prescription.

PVA · 2025-09-26T10:00:20+0100

Nick said:
I can't work without my national insurance number though? Not legally.

It won't make a difference to people working cash in hand or people like Uber eats where there just rent their accounts out.

I suppose people can forge physical cards/identities or just simply use someone else's. A digital ID with biometric features would be much harder to use fraudulently.

Agree some people will still work around it, especially cash jobs. But it makes it harder.

chiefdave · 2025-09-26T10:08:56+0100

PVA said:
Agree some people will still work around it, especially cash jobs. But it makes it harder.

Seeing a lot of 'just round up the uber drivers' type of comments on socials. Would it not be an effective strategy to boycott? If those type of companies suddenly lost a big percentage of business you can be pretty sure they'd take action.

Strikes me that there's a lot of people complaining about services employing illegal immigrants to enable them to pay less than minimum wage and disregard employment law while enjoying the benefits of those services.

SBAndy · 2025-09-26T10:16:41+0100

chiefdave said:
Seeing a lot of 'just round up the uber drivers' type of comments on socials. Would it not be an effective strategy to boycott? If those type of companies suddenly lost a big percentage of business you can be pretty sure they'd take action.

And that’s setting aside that Uber drivers are without doubt the worst drivers on the road.

Grendel · 2025-09-26T10:18:05+0100

chiefdave said:
Seeing a lot of 'just round up the uber drivers' type of comments on socials. Would it not be an effective strategy to boycott? If those type of companies suddenly lost a big percentage of business you can be pretty sure they'd take action.

Strikes me that there's a lot of people complaining about services employing illegal immigrants to enable them to pay less than minimum wage and disregard employment law while enjoying the benefits of those services.

Same as exploitation of Amazon. No one cares as long as it’s cheap.

No one can now be employed legally without an NI number anyway.

Nick · 2025-09-26T10:21:58+0100

chiefdave said:
Seeing a lot of 'just round up the uber drivers' type of comments on socials. Would it not be an effective strategy to boycott? If those type of companies suddenly lost a big percentage of business you can be pretty sure they'd take action.

Strikes me that there's a lot of people complaining about services employing illegal immigrants to enable them to pay less than minimum wage and disregard employment law while enjoying the benefits of those services.

Again, 5 hours at Gallagher McDonald's and they could clean up.

Do that country wide and govnt start hitting the companies with huge fines.

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