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shmmeee

shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
In no way are we in the exact same position.
We never owned the Arena then, we do now.

And if you think the council never tried to fuck the football club over thenI don't know what to say.
If you weren't convinced before they handed wasps a 250 year lease you definitely should have been afterwards.
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I’m not reiterating this but they went to Wasps because we said we wanted the freehold and not a long lease. It’s not ever been SBT psychosis that the council gave wasps something that wasn’t on offer to CCFC. Sisu just refused to pay for it at every turn.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Ccfcisparks said:
you seriously don't think owning the ground doesnt make us a more attractive option to potential buyers. I'm lost for words.
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I don’t know. Is a business that loses £6m a year and has £10m less attractive than a company that loses £12m a year and has £60m debt? You’re the accountant.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Maybe. I dont know the financials. If we’ve just taken on a load of debt to finance a loss making business I’m not sure how true that is. We as fans make a big thing about owning grounds but it doesn’t seem to stop some of the most valuable clubs on the planet.
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It’s on a different level to us of course but the Tottenham stadium is owned by the club and has transformed its value.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
See my theory for a while has been the 5 years thing isn’t random and he’ll look to sell after five years if we don’t go up. This kind of makes me thinks that’s the case even more. And maybe we do, I just think it’s more about that than anything immediate.

Or maybe he’s going to drop £20m in a week and make us promotion contenders too :D
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I don't doubt King has an exit strategy that will see him out of here in no more than 5 years.

If he leaves using a better place than when he arrived, and at the moment I don't think it Can be disputed that that certainly looks to be on the cards, thenI don't see the problem.
 
Marty

Marty

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shmmeee said:
Complete aside but also fuck all the way off with prompting the Doug King song after the announcement and unless I missed it dropping Take Me Home Highfield Road from the playlist.
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Do you ever give it a rest? Just whinge whinge whinge, it's tedious as fuck. Just enjoy the buying of the stadium and the great result we had yesterday. PUSB!!!
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s on a different level to us of course but the Tottenham stadium is owned by the club and has transformed its value.
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At the pl level I can see it. Also a ground in London. As I said at this level with the NEC nearby and transport links is it apples and apples? I have no idea because for the eighteenth time I’m a football club fan not a stadium management company fan.
 
peteCCFC

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Lamps said:
The previous owners of the arena didn't buy it for the benefit of who it was built for. On top of that we're getting our best attendances since the days JH made HR an all seater stadium. Our city is buzzing. If there's a time and an owner to make the arena a success it's now. If it still makes a loss but it's less than the rent would be we're still up and are safer than we've been for many years.
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Our City is buzzing? It's actually as shit as its ever been, apart from a new vape shop, a bookies and 14 new barber shops.
The busiest part of the city is the fountains in town where people take their kids to wash.
We are straved of success and have nothing to do, I wouldn't call that buzzing.
Don't you live in France?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
I’m not reiterating this but they went to Wasps because we said we wanted the freehold and not a long lease. It’s not ever been SBT psychosis that the council gave wasps something that wasn’t on offer to CCFC. Sisu just refused to pay for it at every turn.
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Was a 250 year lease on offer to the club?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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peteCCFC said:
Our City is buzzing? It's actually as shit as its ever been, apart from a new vape shop, a bookies and 14 new barber shops.
The busiest part of the city is the fountains in town where people take their kids to wash.
We are straved of success and have nothing to do, I wouldn't call that buzzing.
Don't you live in France?
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It's buzzing if you like vaping, gambling and a fresh trim.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
Sisu repeatedly said they didn’t want it and just wanted the freehold and not ACL. Every meeting Joy said this. Every public statement Joy and Fisher said this. So yeah.
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I'm fairly sure they didn't get offered 250 years. Even wasps didn't initially .

And I think the way it turned out just shows that the council made a complete arse of things.

Though none of that really has anything to do with where we are now and your concerns about owning the stadium, which I think are unfounded
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
I'm fairly sure they didn't get offered 250 years. Even wasps didn't initially .

And I think the way it turned out just shows that the council made a complete arse of things.

Though none of that really has anything to do with where we are now and your concerns about owning the stadium, which I think are unfounded
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No conversations happened because Sisu only wanted the freehold. They didn’t think the leasehold was worth having. The council were always happy to sell ACL and in fact had to once CCFC left. Sisu hoped they would sell the freehold but councils don’t generally. Wasps understood this basic fact of local authorities, didn’t try and get it through court, and made and offer and got it. The football club could have done that at every time but every time it was mentioned they said they wanted the freehold. “Two turkeys doesn’t make an eagle” and all that.

The real problem it seems was Sisu were skint a needed it for free. By the time tha changed Ashley was on the scene.

I know we love to hate a politician on here but the SBT lore on this is just insane. The idea there were teams of evil councillors plotting against the club they support was always up there with GIMOCS contrails for biggest conspiracy nonsense on here.
 
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SBT

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Am I the only one who’s not jonesing to see Doug King sell the club? We’re in a strong position on the pitch, seemingly financially secure off it….maybe I’m just risk averse but I don’t really want to trade it all for some bloke from overseas who claims to be a billionaire and wants to turn us into an advert for their petrostate/VC firm/streaming service/energy drink of choice.
 
Jamesimus

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shmmeee said:
No conversations happened because Sisu only wanted the freehold. They didn’t think the leasehold was worth having. The council were always happy to sell ACL and in fact had to once CCFC left. Sisu hoped they would sell the freehold but councils don’t generally. Wasps understood this basic fact of local authorities, didn’t try and get it through court, and made and offer and got it. The football club could have done that at every time but every time it was mentioned they said they wanted the freehold. “Two turkeys doesn’t make an eagle” and all that.

The real problem it seems was Sisu were skint a needed it for free. By the time tha changed Ashley was on the scene.

I know we love to hate a politician on here but the SBT lore on this is just insane. The idea there were teams of evil councillors plotting against the club they support was always up there with GIMOCS contrails for biggest conspiracy nonsense on here.
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I don’t think anyone thinks they were “evil” councillors and I think that in their own minds, their intentions were good. They were just stupid, stubborn eejits.
 
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shmmeee said:
I don’t know. Is a business that loses £6m a year and has £10m less attractive than a company that loses £12m a year and has £60m debt? You’re the accountant.
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I wouldn’t trust you to run a bath let alone a business and certainly not a football club that I love ….
 
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SBT said:
Am I the only one who’s not jonesing to see Doug King sell the club? We’re in a strong position on the pitch, seemingly financially secure off it….maybe I’m just risk averse but I don’t really want to trade it all for some bloke from overseas who claims to be a billionaire and wants to turn us into an advert for their petrostate/VC firm/streaming service/energy drink of choice.
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I'm not sure people want him to sell. It's just assumed that his plan is to increase the value of his investment and sell.
He's rich, but not rich enough to indulge in owning a football club as a hobby.
 
Gynnsthetonic

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shmmeee said:
No conversations happened because Sisu only wanted the freehold. They didn’t think the leasehold was worth having. The council were always happy to sell ACL and in fact had to once CCFC left. Sisu hoped they would sell the freehold but councils don’t generally. Wasps understood this basic fact of local authorities, didn’t try and get it through court, and made and offer and got it. The football club could have done that at every time but every time it was mentioned they said they wanted the freehold. “Two turkeys doesn’t make an eagle” and all that.

The real problem it seems was Sisu were skint a needed it for free. By the time tha changed Ashley was on the scene.

I know we love to hate a politician on here but the SBT lore on this is just insane. The idea there were teams of evil councillors plotting against the club they support was always up there with GIMOCS contrails for biggest conspiracy nonsense on here.
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Some councillors wanted to loan Wasp millions when they were going bust so they could save face, wanted to kick the academy out of the Higgs to build a kicking barn, Mutton stated he would never sell his stadium to the football club. Ann Lucas someething about not allowing the club to own it over her dead body. We are now a City of Rugby.All crooks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
At the pl level I can see it. Also a ground in London. As I said at this level with the NEC nearby and transport links is it apples and apples? I have no idea because for the eighteenth time I’m a football club fan not a stadium management company fan.
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I did actually help to stage a conference at the NEC last year, it looks pretty dated and in need of some serious refurbishment itself. Excellent transport links though. Tottenham's ground has Wembley and the Emirates close by as 'competition' for example.

My gut feeling is if you can make it work it's far more of a strength and a weakness. The issue has been that Wasps had no clue about running such a venue, nor did their predecessors. Frasers however have at least paid to repair the neglect and I assume that King will look to appoint people with the relevant expertise.

All that aside, I just don't see how the club can't be more appealing to buyers with the stadium included.
 
Fergusons_Beard

Fergusons_Beard

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shmmeee said:
I know we love to hate a politician on here but the SBT lore on this is just insane. The idea there were teams of evil councillors plotting against the club they support was always up there with GIMOCS contrails for biggest conspiracy nonsense on here.
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Like I said at the time and I’ll repeat it now.

No council in the entire country would’ve done what Coventry’s did to their own football club.

They let personal feelings get in the way of what their job is-represent the people of Coventry.

Their opinions were heavily influenced by outsiders with damaging agendas and instead of remaining neutral they were hugely biased.

Their many decisions nearly mortally wounded their own city’s football club-all out of spite.

Who else hires a publicity team from London to infiltrate a supporter message board to sway opinion!

So yeah fuckin evil councillors is not even a close enough description.


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Lamps

Lamps

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shmmeee said:
Complete aside but also fuck all the way off with prompting the Doug King song after the announcement and unless I missed it dropping Take Me Home Highfield Road from the playlist.
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King has done an amazing job with us. Who would have seen us playing to around 30,000 a game, goals flying in all over the place and finally owning OUR stadium within such a short time?

If King didn't deserve a song playing at home for the 1st time after buying our home then who does?
 
Lamps

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peteCCFC said:
Our City is buzzing? It's actually as shit as its ever been, apart from a new vape shop, a bookies and 14 new barber shops.
The busiest part of the city is the fountains in town where people take their kids to wash.
We are straved of success and have nothing to do, I wouldn't call that buzzing.
Don't you live in France?
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OK I should have said football supporters in our city would be buzzing 😂
 
Flying Fokker

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Speedie's Head said:
Absolutely agree. You could see it in the players' contracts. Until recently we had nobody with a contract beyond the five years, that's beginning to change now and King has probably decided to make a longer game of it.
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Where are the 5 year contracts? Aren’t they 4 for the recent signing?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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SBT said:
Am I the only one who’s not jonesing to see Doug King sell the club? We’re in a strong position on the pitch, seemingly financially secure off it….maybe I’m just risk averse but I don’t really want to trade it all for some bloke from overseas who claims to be a billionaire and wants to turn us into an advert for their petrostate/VC firm/streaming service/energy drink of choice.
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I just think it's inevitable and he will have an exit strategy that I don't see going much further than another few years.
Of course, given the amount of dodgy owners there are in football, who he sells it to could be a worry.
 
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Speedie's Head

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Flying Fokker said:
Where are the 5 year contracts? Aren’t they 4 for the recent signing?
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Grimes got 3 1/2 years so I think off the top of my head that only the new signings take King beyond his 5 year plan. KKH got 4 years. My thinking is that is when he decided that he was in it for longer but who knows really. We do have an issue brewing with a cliff edge of contracts ending at the same time but we're not there yet.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Fergusons_Beard said:
Like I said at the time and I’ll repeat it now.

No council in the entire country would’ve done what Coventry’s did to their own football club.

They let personal feelings get in the way of what their job is-represent the people of Coventry.

Their opinions were heavily influenced by outsiders with damaging agendas and instead of remaining neutral they were hugely biased.

Their many decisions nearly mortally wounded their own city’s football club-all out of spite.

Who else hires a publicity team from London to infiltrate a supporter message board to sway opinion!

So yeah fuckin evil councillors is not even a close enough description.


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They handed a 250 year lease to a rugby club whose position everyone knew was unsustainable. If nothing else that's huge incompetence.
They then made plans to bail them out with our money until they got rumbled.
 
Alkhen

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shmmeee said:
Like I see the theory. As King says every club wants to build a ground with an exhibition hall and a hotel and do concerts and we have that. I just think ultimately success on the pitch gets you much more and the arena success is off the back of that. This stadium in L1 isn’t much use as we saw, in the PL it may be a huge asset, but we’ve got to get there.

I just can’t get over how everyone who has owned it has failed or given up. Is it too close to the NEC? Is transport lacking? Or has it just been badly run or as King suggests needs a brand identity? I’m not sure.
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I've lost track of the list of previous owners but the council had way more on their plate and obviously couldn't pay decent money to attract top level people to run the arena. The WASPs project was doomed to fail from the off and I have the feeling Frasers lost interest pretty quick and knew they could just flog it for a profit.

I get your reservations but Doug knows he's got to make it work, it'll get way more attention than it has before. Hopefully he can pull it off. Just the knowledge that the money you spend there goes to the club might bring people in earlier to empty their wallets pre match.
 
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