fernandopartridge
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Iran has never been behind a terrorist attack against the UK. Israel has.
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fernandopartridge
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After speaking with my Jewish colleague who is married to an Israeli and lived there for a few years, it doesn't sound like that is the majority view in Israel.
Sick Boy
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He’s got sizeable support but there are also a lot of people who don’t like him. Prolonging one and drawing the country into yet another war is all about his self-preservation above all else.
fernandopartridge
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They might not support his means but they believe in Jewish supremity like he does
Brighton Sky Blue
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He clearly feels that war is good for his re-election prospects, and he is probably right.
Skybluekyle
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This is a tad misleading.
Iran has been implicated in multiple failed activity considered terrorism in nature against the UK, and Zionists attacked the British administration in Mandatory Palestine but these pre-dated the foundation of Israel and not directly in the UK.
Please criticise Israel where warranted, but sweeping statements like these are not helpful.
fernandopartridge
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Iran hasn't killed anybody then but Israel (or the forerunner to the IDF) has.
fernandopartridge
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Amazing how the language turns. We "urge (the unnamed) to stop" after the attacks on Iran last night to...
So statesmanlike
So statesmanlike
Skybluekyle
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Well, Iran hasn't successfully killed anyone, but they have tried. As I already pointed out these attacks were by Zionists, not the State of Israel. Crucially the Arabs also attacked the British administration - it was a colonial conflict..
The way you are framing your argument - Israelis killed Brits but Iranians didn't - is oversimplified and misleading.
fernandopartridge
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The point I suppose is the Israel is no more of a friend or ally of the UK than Iran is.
Skybluekyle
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Bold claim. If we were to judge allies based on past events, the UK would probably hate Japan the most. It was Japan's quick and successful invasions of Singapore and Malaysia in World War II that marked the beginning of the end of the British Empire. Countries value their relations based on mutual interests, rather than historical wounds, and the same applies for Israel and the UK.
Iran on the other hand has attempted multiple times to kidnap people and plot attacks on British soil, is openly hostile and funds proscribed terrorist organisations that continue to attack British interests abroad. I want it known that I do not support Israel in this, or its wider policies, but we have to remain factual.
oscillatewildly
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Well done, Sick Boy - Peace is now in abundance in the Middle East courtesy of your latest gem
Flying Fokker
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oscillatewildly
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There's a lot of history you're gonna have to pick through then, Capt.
Best cancel your netflix subscription for the next 24 months if you genuinely want to catch up (and understand) this ancient war mongering shit.
oscillatewildly
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There goes the last remnants of Hillfields.
baldy
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My ex is from Tel Aviv & lives there & I'm proper worried about her & her family/friends
(I've been there about 10 times - bloody nice place too)oscillatewildly
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This is like the teleprinter update of current warfare as we peek through the window of rediffusion for the latest after we'd been shopping at topman for the new shirt we would be wearing that Saturday evening.
Sick Boy
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He’s an utter c**t.
Sick Boy
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I have an ex from Iran who I’m in touch with every now and then. Her father still lives in Tehran.My ex is from Tel Aviv & lives there & I'm proper worried about her & her family/friends
There was a poll of Israelis.
82% want to expel all Palestinians from Gaza.
A shocking 47% want to kill every man, woman and child in Gaza. This rises to 63% amongst the most religious.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The discussion on Iran seems to always miss that Britain and the US initiated a coup in the 50s to strengthen the pro-Western Shah. This was unsurprisingly driven by oil interests rather than any concern for the Iranian people or long term consequences, but meant that when the revolution eventually happened, it was to overthrow a Western rather than Iranian leader.
shmmeee
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Yeah the Iranians I know certainly do and all have family back home. Fucking horrible situation even without the geopolitics.
Skybluekyle
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You are right to point this out and criticise Western foreign policy, but we have to avoid slipping into pro-revolutionary propaganda here. The American/British backed coup was a self-serving Cold War move with no concerns for the Iranians, but we must avoid framing the revolution in a way that risks romanticising the action as a form of liberation when, in reality, it was the replacement of one form of repression for another. The Shah was still Iranian, which matters here. Whether intended or not, statements like these end up seeming to justify the theocratic authoritarian regime that rules Iran today, which absolutely should not be the case.
Brighton Sky Blue
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To be clear, the Iranian friend of mine is from a family that fled the revolution, so no glamorisation of that from me. But the story does start with Western-initiated regime change, it’s simply a fact.
Skybluekyle
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Thank you for clarifying, and apologies, I was not trying to insinuate you were glamorising the revolution. I was just concerned that how it was being framed could risk that interpretation. May I just ask you to add clarity or further context in what you mean by "the story does start with Western-initiated regime change, it’s simply a fact.", without contextual boundaries this is open to multiple interpretations?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The story of how we ultimately ended up where we are.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Just a point of information - calling an Iranian "an Arab" is about as insulting to them as you can get - they are Persian! You are conflating the terms Arab and Muslim, i suspect. The Arabs never conquered Persia.
Skybluekyle
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May I kindly ask you to re-read what I stated. I never called Iranians "Arabs".
I referenced the Arab Resistance as part of the point on the colonial conflict in Mandatory Palestine, I was not discussing Iran at this point.
Skybluekyle
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Yep - understood that bit, I was hoping you would expand on it?
Without clarity the statement is too open-ended.
It does and it is a fact but the regime, which in my view is abhorrent and dangerous, has been in power for 45+ years. The current mess; economically, politically and socially is of their own making.
Captain Dart
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Captain Dart
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I'm pretty sure I've studied history, particularly military history for far longer and in far more depth than you.
Nice to see Malc and Grendel off the internet for a change
