air india plane to gatwick crashed (1 Viewer)
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Been a lot of stuff about Boeing since the 'merger' with mcDonnell Douglas. Apparently the entire ethos of the company was taken over by the MD board, which focused heavily on stock price and shareholder value.
Rumour had it they spent more on share buybacks to keep the stock price high than they did on R&D.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Saddlebrains
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Paul Anthony
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I was just thinking this same thing!
MalcSB
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A terrible reflection on Trump that this should be your first thought.
MalcSB
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I like successfully landing.
shmmeee
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Only time I’ve been scared flying was an internal US flight on what felt like something Indiana Jones used to escape the Temple of Doom, I swear you could see sky through the floor. Big airliners you just feel like you’re in a shit coach, I seem to completely detach from the reality of what’s going on and it’s fine. Which is weird cos I’m a massive coward and scared of heights generally.
Otis
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You should catch some internal flights in Russia.
I think one plane I was on was nearly 60 years old and all the bolts into the fuselage were rattling in the cabin as we flew
Grendel
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Or a novel by James Herbert actually called The Survivor
torchomatic
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Loved that novel in my younger days. Dean Koontz did something similar.
torchomatic
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No wonder we get a reputation on social media for being cunts.
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Kneeza
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Utter arseholes.
Captain Dart
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Saddlebrains
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If so that's a monumental error. The flaps lever and the gear up/down lever on modern planes are intentionally far apart. One on the centre console between pilots, one on the dash
Tommo1993
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Suppose flight recorder might indicate a few things. If it’s pilot error vs aircraft fault we all know what Boeing will go with. Experienced pilots are guessing that was the issue as it might explain the gear not going up and the direction of the nose and loss of airspeed.
Could also just be complete electronic failure
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Sick Boy
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Presumably woke now means anyone who isn't a bellend.
shmmeee
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Really stupid question. But why are plane controls so complex? I’ve flown a very small plane once and didn’t look at more than a handful of them, but the whole thing seems miles behind even a budget car in 2025. Like my Dads Zoe fights me if I try and cross a lane, but a passenger jet will let you nosedive into the ground?
Captain Dart
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They found the flight recorder.Suppose flight recorder might indicate a few things. If it’s pilot error vs aircraft fault we all know what Boeing will go with. Experienced pilots are guessing that was the issue as it might explain the gear not going up and the direction of the nose and loss of airspeed.
Could also just be complete electronic failure
Yesterday I cam across a detailed tweet thread that said there is an audible alarm if the flaps are not properly deployed.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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To be honest I'm a bit skeptical of this theory that the first officer pulled up the flaps instead of the gear.
It's such a basic mistake that would trigger warnings. Equally, when you retract the gear, the panel flashes and confirms the position of the gear, it also, even with the aircraft at its heaviest, shouldn't cause the plane to effectively stall in such fashion with the amount of thrust.
It would happen very fast, but I would expect the captain to still be able to rectify it in time, even if the co-pilot was not aware.
The rotation itself looks fine, which is why I understand this theory, as the problem seems to occur after the aircraft has left the runway and become airborne, but I think there is more to it. Perhaps a configuration issue with the back flaps, or a problem that caused the power to go out.
I'm curious what the flight recorders will say, and if the RAT turbine had been deployed (I can't tell from the video, but I think so).
There's multiple theories at this point and many of them could be correct for sure, but I think there might be a bit more to it. There are so many checks and warnings that means such eventuality as seems almost impossible. Let's see. I think we will have a solid answer on this pretty soon.
Gynnsthetonic
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I thought everything was done by computer these days, the landing gear, the flaps etc. Could be a computer error
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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This shows a normal takeoff for a 787 (albeit a slightly different model - the 900 rather than 800 from the Air India crash).
Configuration of flaps is done pre-take off, and will be done on an electronic checklist based on weather, weight of the aircraft, and runway length etc. If this is not correct on take off roll, the plane knows that you are trying to take off and will scream at you.
Pulling up the gear is something a pilot can do in their sleep. It is done manually and something only done following an announcement and confirmation of a positive climb rate. It is the first thing you do once airborne.
The fact the gear never came up could be due to the co-pilot not doing it, or it could be because there was alarm bells going off in the cockpit that indicated something was drastically wrong after v1 decision point. Perhaps even there was a total power failure which meant it wasn't possible to retract the gear.
The flight recorders will answer such questions fairly quickly I would think.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Thanks for your insight. I've watched enough episodes of Air Crash Investigation to know that no stone will be left unturned, and the data they can get out of the FDR and CVR is so comprehensive. The answer will come pretty quickly, i would imagine. Problem is the Americans will want to be involved as it was a Boeing. Just hope there isn't a cover-up as a result.