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Shannerz

Shannerz

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Liquid Gold said:
I hadn't heard that before. One of the most stupid things we've done in the market for years.
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It depends.

If they were looking at someone to turn from loan to perm, then they may just have thought Doyle out of our means, which would be fair enough.

The strange thing is buying Binks when he didn't really do much during the loan.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Shannerz said:
It depends.

If they were looking at someone to turn from loan to perm, then they may just have thought Doyle out of our means, which would be fair enough.

The strange thing is buying Binks when he didn't really do much during the loan.
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I'm assuming he's referring to last summer which would mean the choice would be Doyle on a loan or Binks for a fee.

After having Binks for a year and seeing we never keep a clean sheet when he plays I'd have never paid money for him.
 
Shannerz

Shannerz

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Liquid Gold said:
I'm assuming he's referring to last summer which would mean the choice would be Doyle on a loan or Binks for a fee.

After having Binks for a year and seeing we never keep a clean sheet when he plays I'd have never paid money for him.
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Ah, ok, but point still stands; that they didn't want to take a player on loan that there was no chance of getting permanently.

Binks was a weird signing however you want to look at it, though.
 
fatso

fatso

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Liquid Gold said:
I'm assuming he's referring to last summer which would mean the choice would be Doyle on a loan or Binks for a fee.

After having Binks for a year and seeing we never keep a clean sheet when he plays I'd have never paid money for him.
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Tbf he played in the 1-0 home victory vs QPR back in February And had his best game that night.
I thought he'd kick on from that and become the player we thought we were getting, but alas it wasn't to be, and Kitching's form has kept him out since.
 
skybluecam

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shmmeee said:
He was a cheap young pickup that provides cover and might develop. Far from the oddest signing we’ve made
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Was he cheap? Never saw anything definitive on the fee but I thought it was about £3m which while not massive isn't exactly cheap either.
 
shmmeee

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shmmeee

shmmeee

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skybluecam said:
Fair, makes more sense then.
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I think when you consider the context, Kitching arriving for big money and playing most of last season, the need to a left sided backup, a 22 year old who has fit in for under £2m is a reasonable shout IMO. He was never signed to be first choice. Doyle on loan would have pissed off your £4m CB for no long term benefit.
 
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quinn1971

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clint van damme said:
Think we can get away with the current CBs if we've still got Milan and sign someone equally as quick on the left.
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Just thinking of the Sunderland 1st goal in the first game, our full backs push up, need a quick centre half to cover ? Thomas and kitching have got caught out a few times
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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shmmeee said:
I think when you consider the context, Kitching arriving for big money and playing most of last season, the need to a left sided backup, a 22 year old who has fit in for under £2m is a reasonable shout IMO. He was never signed to be first choice. Doyle on loan would have pissed off your £4m CB for no long term benefit.
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This is well reasoned. However, Robins started the season with Lati and Binks so it’s clear that at some point, Robins decided that the same players would swap role; starters to role places and vice versa. Truly a strange decision from Robins that probably played a part in him losing his job.

It’s all hypothetical, but it seems Robins just rated Binks that highly.

One thing on Binks, in Jan 2024 Saddles’ source said Binks would stay permanently if we extended the loan past Jan. I struggle to believe that Robins had direct ‘this or that’ choice between Binks and Doyle in the summer.

More likely, we’d all but signed the deal and Doyle may have been available and interested in joining. IIRC, Binks was our first signing of the summer.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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quinn1971 said:
Just thinking of the Sunderland 1st goal in the first game, our full backs push up, need a quick centre half to cover ? Thomas and kitching have got caught out a few times
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Don't get me wrong, pace in the back 2 would be great.
But Milan does a lot of clearing up, if we had a left back who could do the same we'd be a lot more secure.
 
JimmyHillsbeard

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shmmeee said:
I think when you consider the context, Kitching arriving for big money and playing most of last season, the need to a left sided backup, a 22 year old who has fit in for under £2m is a reasonable shout IMO. He was never signed to be first choice. Doyle on loan would have pissed off your £4m CB for no long term benefit.
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The flaw in this logic was that the £4m CB was in the bomb squad until December
 
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wingy

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fatso said:
Tbf he played in the 1-0 home victory vs QPR back in February And had his best game that night.
I thought he'd kick on from that and become the player we thought we were getting, but alas it wasn't to be, and Kitching's form has kept him out since.
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He was part of that winning run probably around Feb wasn't he, clean sheets as well, proper football?
 
Captain Dart

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I can't see the point in another left sided central defender for the sort of money Doyle is being touted for.

Frankly if Bidwell stays he could easily play backup left sided central defender, allowing Binks to leave for a fee.

It is the right hand side of the team that needs strengthening mostly.
 
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Viktor17

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Massive fan of Doyle, but just don’t see finance stacking up to make priority. He has himself said he needs a perm move, but imagine city will command hefty fee and also imagine his wage demands would be large.

we’ve just got bigger needs, imagine a relegated club will probably go and hoover him up.
 
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Speedies_Chips

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clint van damme said:
Don't get me wrong, pace in the back 2 would be great.
But Milan does a lot of clearing up, if we had a left back who could do the same we'd be a lot more secure.
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I agree that we need pace in the back 2 but for me that immediately rules out Doyle. He has the turning circle of an oil tanker.
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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Captain Dart said:
I can't see the point in another left sided central defender for the sort of money Doyle is being touted for.

Frankly if Bidwell stays he could easily play backup left sided central defender, allowing Binks to leave for a fee.

It is the right hand side of the team that needs strengthening mostly.
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You want one of our backup centre halves to be Bidwell?
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Jimmy87 said:
Tough one isn't it, it's whether or not he's happy to be sat on the bench.
If we want to make the step up, we need to improve at the back, which could mean possibly Kitching or Thomas even dropping to the bench, he'd be right down the pecking order, especially if we bring in a new RB cover.
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I’m glad we have ambitious players pushing to start football matches. In the case of Lati, he’s not as strong a defender at CB as Thomas or Kitching. Frankly, we need to upgrade on one of those CBs in any case.

Lati is a defender suited to 3 CB formations, he’s not defensively strong enough to be a CB in a 2 CB formation nor is he quick enough to be an out and out RB. As you’ve mentioned before, his knack for diving in front of players to win free kicks makes me nervous. Being uber harsh, I think he does it to paper over the fact he’s just not that great a CB and officials help out poor defenders too often because they can flop over and win a FK.

It was only a 10 or so minutes, against Luton I’m sure Sakamoto was almost playing as a WB out of possession and the ‘back 4’ looked more like a 5 before the red card.
 
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