Transfer Rumour Ellis Simms (5 Viewers)

Since Robins has dropped Godden and shown faith in Simms its amazing what having a bit of confidence in a player does for him. There was way too much chopping and changing.

Like I said about pages ago in this thread. Gotta be investing in a 22/23 year old than Godden.

Yes Simms has alot to learn. But my god lad can finish and the potential upside is there unless you are blind.

Chuffed to bits for him and he's answered back the critics with goals.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Simms’ name is 25% bigger than Daka

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I'm confused 20% one fifth?

wingy said:

I'm confused 20% one fifth?

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It's one extra letter vs. four = 25%

Londonccfcfan said:

Since Robins has dropped Godden and shown faith in Simms its amazing what having a bit of confidence in a player does for him. There was way too much chopping and changing.

Like I said about pages ago in this thread. Gotta be investing in a 22/23 year old than Godden.

Yes Simms has alot to learn. But my god lad can finish and the potential upside is there unless you are blind.

Chuffed to bits for him and he's answered back the critics with goals.

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But but but he only scores against rubbish teams

It's great to see Simms coming good at last.

wingy said:

I'm confused 20% one fifth?

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Is maths not your strong point?

Frostie said:

Yep, I have always said there's a heck of a player in there but he has some really rough edges to work out. For something as basic as his first touch to be as ropey as it is given the levels he's played at is crazy. I know it was something David Unsworth was trying to work with him on at Everton.

We have plenty of evidence of MR & AV dramatically improving players with their coaching so hopefully he can get that sorted & he could be pretty unstoppable.

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You’d think it’s just muscle memory. He must be too tense or something. It wasn’t actually that bad against Maidstone, obviously he gets a lot more time and less pressure, but it shows it’s at least a bit mental. Seems like the sort of thing you could train though.

wingy said:

I'm confused 20% one fifth?

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20% smaller 25% bigger. Cos you’re starting my from different numbers and the bigger one includes the increase.

SBbucks said:

Is maths not your strong point?

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No I've just lost some ability recently, used to have no problem solving algebra equations.

Frostie said:

Yep, I have always said there's a heck of a player in there but he has some really rough edges to work out. For something as basic as his first touch to be as ropey as it is given the levels he's played at is crazy. I know it was something David Unsworth was trying to work with him on at Everton.

We have plenty of evidence of MR & AV dramatically improving players with their coaching so hopefully he can get that sorted & he could be pretty unstoppable.

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Robbie Keane was a heck of a player .

Lets not get too carried away , now. Simms still can't trap a bag of cement.

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING ON ABOUT HIS FIRST TOUCH, FFS!

Liam Kelly blasted a pass at him from five yards last night and all around me... "FFS, Simms!". Nutters.

He has to take the ball under more pressure than any other position on the pitch either in a 433 or 352.

His first touch is leading to goals. Are people just scarred by some ropey games earlier in the season?

Wright tried to tackle himself a few times last night and I don't remember Simms doing the same thing.

sneferu said:

This thread is embarrassing. This forum is so negative. Hope.to god the players don't bother reading this drivel from.a load of arm chair, beer swilling twats.

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Hey! I resemble that remark.

shmmeee said:

20% smaller 25% bigger. Cos you’re starting my from different numbers and the bigger one includes the increase.

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Think of it like this @wingy...

Simms is 125% the name that Daka is, and Daka is only 80% the name that Simms is.

So basically then, Simms is 45% better than Daka.

Glad I could clear it up for you.

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I know it's funny and all, but people should be genuinely worried the relationship between Simms and the fans has been permanently damaged, due to abuse thrown at him throughout the season. He did that one shushing celebration again Bristol, and honestly since has barely bothered celebrating.

That's not actually his style, if you look back at his time at Blackpool, Hearts, and Sunderland. I don't think he likes the fans, and I don't particularly think he really wants to be here either.

napolimp said:

I know it's funny and all, but people should be genuinely worried the relationship between Simms and the fans has been permanently damaged, due to abuse thrown at him throughout the season. He did that one shushing celebration again Bristol, and honestly since has barely bothered celebrating.

That's not actually his style, if you look back at his time at Blackpool, Hearts, and Sunderland. I don't think he likes the fans, and I don't particularly think he really wants to be here either.

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Well he should leave then. If he can’t handle criticism because he was shit then he shouldn’t be a professional footballer. Fans pay their wages so are entitled to criticise.

He was awful but this related to work rate and desire, he changed that and got stuck in then the goals have come and all I’ve heard since is praise.

If you can’t handle the heat then get out the kitchen, I’d say the criticism has made him kick on as it’s fight or flight.

Cov fans are some of the best in the country but demand at least work rate and desire, he always would have been forgiven for not scoring goals if he at least showed that. It’s a good lesson for him.

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I’d say the criticism has made him kick on

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I was wondering how long it would be before people who couldn't even see his attributes started claiming credit for his 'improvement'.

Who the fuck likes criticism from people who cant do what you’re paid to do. Of course he wouldnt be happy but to suggest he doesnt like it or the fans is stupid

Calista said:

I was wondering how long it would be before people who couldn't even see his attributes started claiming credit for his 'improvement'.

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So if you can see someone is big and strong physically it means you can never criticise them if they are shit and half arsed?

“HE” decided to chase back and get stuck in and then a few goals came the criticism stopped. That’s life. Are you from the generation that’s praises everyone regardless?

He now needs to step it up and do it in games against better teams as went missing against West Brom.

PUSB-We_are_going_up said:

Who the fuck likes criticism from people who cant do what you’re paid to do. Of course he wouldnt be happy but to suggest he doesnt like it or the fans is stupid

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Nothing wrong with a bit of ‘carrot and stick’.
Keep it real.

If you look at the teams he’s scored against they are all bottom half of the table teams and non league. He has improved recently and credit to him for that but when he starts scoring against the best defences and in big games then we can say we have a player.

hamertime said:

So if you can see someone is big and strong physically it means you can never criticise them if they are shit and half arsed?

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You still can't see his attributes. They are not that he is 'big and strong'.

hamertime said:

If you look at the teams he’s scored against they are all bottom half of the table teams and non league. He has improved recently and credit to him for that but when he starts scoring against the best defences and in big games then we can say we have a player.

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Why do goals against teams bottom half of the table not count?

If hes a match winner against every team in the bottom half of the table he will have 24 goals and we will have at least 72 points.

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Why do goals against teams bottom half of the table not count?

If hes a match winner against every team in the bottom half of the table he will have 24 goals and we will have at least 72 points.

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Oh come on, of course it matters who he scores against. I don’t get why people just don’t say it as it is. If he scored a hat-trick against Leeds and also Leicester it’s a completely different ballgame.

If the top defenders have them in their pocket, then it won’t end well for him at this level.

I liked Simms from the start, despite him taking a while to get going. His performance away at Leeds was brilliant. He's now scoring, which was always inevitable once Robins & Viveash had more time on the training field with him.
He's a cool character and all this talk about him not wanting to be here because he doesn't celebrate madly is just utter horseshit.
And to think last season we had Waghorn and Walker....

Calista said:

You still can't see his attributes. They are not that he is 'big and strong'.

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But that was the only attribute we could see earlier in the season. He didn’t show anything else, poor touch, lack of desire etc etc. You’re talking as if he has arrived, there is a hell of a long way to go for him to go.

Offhegoes said:

I liked Simms from the start, despite him taking a while to get going. His performance away at Leeds was brilliant. He's now scoring, which was always inevitable once Robins & Viveash had more time on the training field with him.
He's a cool character and all this talk about him not wanting to be here because he doesn't celebrate madly is just utter horseshit.
And to think last season we had Waghorn and Walker....

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I think you're wrong, personally. He does not celebrate goals here like he did at previous clubs, and there's no reason for that change. I think he's playing for his career, his teammates, and the management, but I don't believe he's playing for the fans.

He still gets a lot of shit, by the way.

hamertime said:

But that was the only attribute we could see earlier in the season.

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You're just confirming what I said! You couldn't see his attributes. There's no 'we' about it.

napolimp said:

I think you're wrong, personally. He does not celebrate goals here like he did at previous clubs, and there's no reason for that change. I think he's playing for his career, his teammates, and the management, but I don't believe he's playing for the fans.

He still gets a lot of shit, by the way.

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The dynamics has changed,he was on loan before?

wingy said:

The dynamics has changed,he was on loan before?

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In what sense? He feels he doesn't need to celebrate with the fans because he's already signed permanently, or something different?

napolimp said:

In what sense? He feels he doesn't need to celebrate with the fans because he's already signed permanently, or something different?

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No just the he always had the option of returning to home?

In his early days with us the general feeling seemed to be that he lacked confidence. Yet still a lot of fans abused him, when what he really needed was our support.

Despite this he has knuckled down, scored some goals and is showing why the club bought him in the first place. He is proving himself to be a very good player at Championship level and one day he may go on to play well - hopefully with us - in the Premiership.

I really hope that a minority of our fans don't drive him away.

StrettoBoy said:

In his early days with us the general feeling seemed to be that he lacked confidence. Yet still a lot of fans abused him, when what he really needed was our support.

Despite this he has knuckled down, scored some goals and is showing why the club bought him in the first place. He is proving himself to be a very good player at Championship level and one day he may go on to play well - hopefully with us - in the Premiership.

I really hope that a minority of our fans don't drive him away.

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Probably reading a bit too much into things. The first goal was a shock to everyone because it was a poor mistake and then going mental against when you’ve gone 3 or 4-0 up lack’s a bit of class imo.

Same with Maidstone really.

StrettoBoy said:

In his early days with us the general feeling seemed to be that he lacked confidence. Yet still a lot of fans abused him, when what he really needed was our support.

Despite this he has knuckled down, scored some goals and is showing why the club bought him in the first place. He is proving himself to be a very good player at Championship level and one day he may go on to play well - hopefully with us - in the Premiership.

I really hope that a minority of our fans don't drive him away.

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He’s hardly ever been criticised in the stadium all I’ve ever heard is support for him. People are allowed to say what they see on an Internet forum.

If he ever did leave saying the fans drove him out it would be a complete and utter cop out.

It would basically be saying because I didn’t get love and cuddles I couldn’t score goals it would be pathetic.

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It would basically be saying because I didn’t get love and cuddles I couldn’t score goals it would be pathetic.

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My point is simply that if he was lacking confidence - an important commodity for strikers in particular - giving him abuse is likely to make things worse.

We need to get behind our players and support them if we are going to get the best out of them.