Flying Fokker
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Russia is the best innit.
USSR invades Ukraine. (7 Viewers)
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Flying Fokker
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A couple of posts above yours there is a YouTube summary of why he did it.
There are suggestions that the West went back on agreements.
Also that the west is very good at telling Putin what they will not do if he invades etc. Rather than playing the big man, the west has rolled over. Whereas the US is normally the playground bully who tells people what will happen if they step out of line.
The fact that Ukraine gave up nuclear arms increased its vulnerability.
Must be some major mental gymnastics going on with the MAGA clowns now.
Spend the past few years supporting Russia, now Russia's ally kills 3 US soldiers. Bet they're frothing at the mouth to strike back hard. Wonder if the penny will drop...of course it won't.
Spend the past few years supporting Russia, now Russia's ally kills 3 US soldiers. Bet they're frothing at the mouth to strike back hard. Wonder if the penny will drop...of course it won't.
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skybluetony176
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The MAGA clowns probably think that US soldiers are woke traitors (they do celebrate pride after all) and part of the new world order and see Putin and his allies as MAGA allies so it was fair game. I know it sounds like I’m being flippant but there’s a video going around of MAGA supporters at Trump rallies saying they’d rather live under an invading Putin dictatorship than Biden. It’s like the BUF being pro Nazi in WW2 hoping that the UK would lose so they could be a Nazi Vichy government.
Flying Fokker
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We’re heading for ‘world at war’ not World War Three, warns senior Tory MP
Amid tensions with Iran, Russia and China, former defence minister Tobias Ellwood has said the UK needs to be better prepared.
Grendel
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Interesting read
www.newyorker.com
Ukraine’s Democracy in Darkness
With elections postponed and no end to the war with Russia in sight, Volodymyr Zelensky and his political allies are becoming like the officials they once promised to root out: entrenched.
It's a farce of an article that is being widely panned by Ukranians who, rightly, do not want a Russian telling them what is wrong with Ukraine.
I can see why you find it so interesting though, as it spends more time criticising corruption in Ukraine than it does criticising Russia for invading.
I can see why you find it so interesting though, as it spends more time criticising corruption in Ukraine than it does criticising Russia for invading.
Grendel
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Made up I’m sure
amp.theguardian.com
Ukraine’s top general refuses request from Zelenskiy to step down | Ukraine | The Guardian
Personality clashes blamed for conflict between president and popular commander Valerii Zaluzhnyi
Flying Fokker
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The dark web loves Ukraine.
skybluetony176
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duffer
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It's a bit rich coming from anyone British (or obviously, Russian) these days.
Ukraine, at least, is improving its record on corruption, we're getting worse, and Russia has been bent for so long it's miles beyond a joke.
Plus, it's completely fucking irrelevant, unless you think Russia invaded Ukraine in order to establish a model of rectitude and democracy.
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skybluetony176
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Russia is officially the most corrupt country in Europe. I’m not sure what your point is.
Sick Boy
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I think it's quite obvious what the point is.
It's one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. I hadn't made any comparison to Russia.
Sick Boy
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Where have I compared Ukraine to Russia? I said it's one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, which is most certainly the case and was before Russia invaded.
It's currently a long way away from eliminating corruption to be in the EU, and in reality, I doubt it'll join within the next 20 years at least.
There is pretty much no historical precedent for a country of Ukraine’s size holding an election while it’s in the middle of an invasion or existential military threat. If we’re going to play the game of quoting opinion polls in lieu of actually knowing what real people on the ground are saying, the vast majority of Ukrainians appear to support delaying the elections until the war is over.
skybluetony176
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So why bring it up? What’s the relevance?
Sick Boy
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Erm...because there's a discussion above about corruption. I don't see what the issue actually is in pointing these things out.
I think some people sense an implication that Ukraine’s problems with corruption somehow undermine the case for supporting it against the Russian invasion. Is that fair?
skybluetony176
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In context to a suspended GE due to the ongoing Russian invasion. Were you agreeing with the premise that the election was cancelled due to corruption rather than the war? Not sure what else you’re supposed to take from you going straight to corruption.
skybluetony176
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Grendel
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No its an observation that it is and aways has been mired in corruption and has an appalling human rights record
What about us?
Grendel
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No one mentioned the election anyway - its diversion tactics from posters who seem to turn a blind eye to misogyny, racism, homophobia and corruption when it suits them
Good lord, the irony.
So you didn't read the 'interesting read' that *checks notes* you posted then?
