EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (6 Viewers)

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jordan210

jordan210

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robbiethemole said:
Ipswich board now saying they proposed a 10 team playoffs and possibly including the top 2!! They can fuck right off with that one
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At this rate there will be so many ideas to vote it won't be possible to get any thing passed.
 
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steve cooper

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chiefdave said:
There's a clarification on the Tranmere site which makes it even more batshit crazy than I originally thought. The whole point of the proposed regulation from the EFL is that a rule is but in place for consistency across the divisions. Tranmere are now saying their proposal allows each division to do something different. They've given an example that the Championship could use straight PPG, L1 their weird margin of error thing, and L2 use current positions with no relegation!

So rather than standardising things and then just requiring each division to vote on playing on or stopping the season if Tranmere's proposal passed we'd be back to square one with each division arguing which method to use.
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That's how I understood it, hence my post. But you are right, it's batshit. It may appeal to enough teams to get it through though.
 
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steve cooper

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Liquid Gold said:
Why would the teams who say they want to finish the season vote for a proposal that ends it? I get why Posh and Sunderland might but if the 4 teams in the playoffs now are voting for a scenario that ends the season it'll be the one where only 3 other teams are in the playoffs with them
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Totally agree, but under Tranmere's proposal there will be 2 promotion slots, and my point is that if the vote is really close, the Tranmere proposal might just swing it, even though it is rubbish.
 
SeaSeeEffCee

SeaSeeEffCee

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The votes aren't all going up against each other. If one fails they move onto to the next one. I'd be very surprised if one doesn't get passed and it'll most likely be the original EFL proposal.
 
ccfcricoh

ccfcricoh

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dutchman said:
I think that's the intention?
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Its like a vicious circle.

EFL let all clubs say how they want it to end.
Put all options to a vote
If the clubs cant agree, they vote again, and again, and probably again.
All of a sudden, "oh, sorry guys, were out of time, too late to finish the season, so its PPG and 4 club playoffs only"

months down the line when Peterborough bloke tries to sue he's got no leg to stand on as it was the clubs who couldn't agree and not the EFL.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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SeaSeeEffCee said:
The votes aren't all going up against each other. If one fails they move onto to the next one. I'd be very surprised if one doesn't get passed and it'll most likely be the original EFL proposal.
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Doesn't that mean more than one option could get over the 51% needed?
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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It's a good point actually. Do they all go up against each other and you can only vote for one or is it 2nd preferences etc. or what?
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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If the option with the lowest votes dropped out each time a ballet takes place, eventually they would end up with only two options left.
Hopefully they will stick to their original two options.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Irish Sky Blue said:
If the option with the lowest votes dropped out each time a ballet takes place, eventually they would end up with only two options left.
Hopefully they will stick to their original two options.
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chiefdave

chiefdave

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Apart from the EFL proposal and the Tranmere one do we actually know if any others are being voted on?

I can imagine some owners giving up on Tranmere's without even reading the whole thing. There's pages of it and it starts going on about mathematical formulas and all sorts of crap. A lot easier to digest the EFL's complete the season or finish with PPG.
 
Frostie

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Barnsley definitely put a proposal forward (amounted to no relegation - shock horror).
Think Lincoln may have put something forward too but PPG works fine for them anyway so bit of an odd one.
 
capel & collindridge

capel & collindridge

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ccfcway said:
every amend is due to personal interest, i cant understand how it can be given validity. We might as well make an amendment which says "the league one club at the top of the table at lockdown is automatically promoted to the premier league"
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"But only if they have played more than thirty consecutive seasons in the top flight", just so that it is fairer and has more integrity.
 
Gibbo

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This is a guess
  • I would assume first up they vote to accept or reject the EFL proposal as it represents a change in the rules and is the EFL recommendation. It has priority. If it passes, game over
  • If it fails I assume they move onto the Tranmere proposal if it has sufficient support to indicate it has a chance of success. No idea how they measure that. But then the voting dynamics are different. If that fails then we play on
  • I don't think there is a positive vote needed to play on, as that is what happens if no vote to end the season is passed.
  • This is why I think null and void can't happen by default.
They are unlikely to go for a single transferable vote or other form of multiple vote - legal shithouse
 
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steve cooper

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Gibbo said:
This is a guess
  • I would assume first up they vote to accept or reject the EFL proposal as it represents a change in the rules and is the EFL recommendation. It has priority. If it passes, game over
  • If it fails I assume they move onto the Tranmere proposal if it has sufficient support to indicate it has a chance of success. No idea how they measure that. But then the voting dynamics are different. If that fails then we play on
  • I don't think there is a positive vote needed to play on, as that is what happens if no vote to end the season is passed.
  • This is why I think null and void can't happen by default.
They are unlikely to go for a single transferable vote or other form of multiple vote - legal shithouse
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This is how I think it will go. Vote 1 or vote 2 will get over the line I believe.
 
Gibbo

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The most interesting thing, in a nerdy kind of way, is that the Tranmere proposal is a one off for this year only. Not a change to the constitution. That might appeal to some. Also what happens if someone moves an amendment, if that is allowed and says for instance that the measure should be two years not three if then TR system is adopted
 
ccfcway

ccfcway

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Surely this is all to avoid being taken to court ?. There can’t be any other reason why EFL are listening to solutions that clearly benefit those who are putting the fwd
 
SeaSeeEffCee

SeaSeeEffCee

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Liquid Gold said:
It's a good point actually. Do they all go up against each other and you can only vote for one or is it 2nd preferences etc. or what?
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They’re just doing them in order. First vote fails then they move onto the next one. End the voting as soon as one of them passes.
 
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Magwitch

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Normally in voting you have a proposal, seconded and put to the meeting there can be amendments from the floor and if seconded they are usually voted on for or against first if 51% is the pass figure whatever proposal gets that that will be the one to go through.
 
ccfcricoh

ccfcricoh

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steve cooper said:
A guide to the proposals on deciding the season that EFL clubs will vote on next week
Crazy!
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Lincoln proposal - when to deduct points from PPG, this actually makes sense for me and is a fairer way of doing things, it has no impact on final positions from normal PPG but it could in a different season if this were to happen again, Bolton would effectively finish on 21.6 pts this season as opposed to 18.1. So nothing major but if we are writing these into rules going forward i think this is reasonable.

Stevenage - dont think this will stand up, just not having relegation from L2, and doesnt particularly make sense, why not all leagues?

Ipswich - just want to extend the playoffs, if a season needs to finish prematurely, then demanding more games than required seems wrong, non starter for me.

Barnsley - no relegation, promotion but no relegation seems wrong, you either say positions are final or not for me

Tranmere - absolute shambles as expected, and no logic to their workings at all.

I think the most sensible outcome, whether wanted or not is simple PPG with maybe the Lincoln amendment.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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I think all the proposals still end up with us as champions, we'll be fine. I just hope Ipswich, Barnsley and Tranmere don't get their way with their mad ones as it means we're going to have weird divisions next year.

Stevenages is more reasonable as I think it only comes into effect if the national league is looking like it won't take place. Would be unfair to relegate a club and then instantly send them bust because they have nowhere to play.
 
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MalcSB

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ccfcricoh said:
Lincoln proposal - when to deduct points from PPG, this actually makes sense for me and is a fairer way of doing things, it has no impact on final positions from normal PPG but it could in a different season if this were to happen again, Bolton would effectively finish on 21.6 pts this season as opposed to 18.1. So nothing major but if we are writing these into rules going forward i think this is reasonable.

Stevenage - dont think this will stand up, just not having relegation from L2, and doesnt particularly make sense, why not all leagues?

Ipswich - just want to extend the playoffs, if a season needs to finish prematurely, then demanding more games than required seems wrong, non starter for me.

Barnsley - no relegation, promotion but no relegation seems wrong, you either say positions are final or not for me

Tranmere - absolute shambles as expected, and no logic to their workings at all.

I think the most sensible outcome, whether wanted or not is simple PPG with maybe the Lincoln amendment.
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Tranmere’s document is really badly written with the financial consequences tables being particularly bad.
 
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