Match Thread Tranmere Rovers vs. Coventry City Match Thread - Wednesday 1st Jan (1 Viewer)

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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Irish Sky Blue said:
I read through this thread after getting back from Birkenhead. Presumably most posters would have watched the same game as I did, many of the on Ifollow. They would have seen how we absolutely controlled the first half and that even after Tranmere scored that that control continued for the rest of the first half.
Having seen that story unfold in the first half, why would he have made any change that at that stage clearly wasn't necessary?
The comments on here criticising Robins for not making changes during Tranmere's purple patch are particularly unfair.

Classic Robins. Get a change on

What the hell does MR say at HT to change things so drastically against us?

Always is the problem with Robins - he never adapts his formation or game play despite the opposition doing it

Typical Robins where are the changes !!!

He does nothing, that's the problem. He needs to anticipate what they'll do but doesn't. They've just stepped up 10 yards and we've sunk back.

The above are a few of the comments at the time Tranmere were on top. We had our subs warming up from the start of the second half. The staff were talking to one or two, giving out technical information, within 5 minutes of the restart. Robins brought on Bakayoko and O'Hare and changed the game back in our favour (within minutes both had combined to set up Godden second goal).
These comments come after two successive wins (the second of which was a 4-1 win at the home of the previously unbeaten league leaders) and after a brilliant half of football on a paddy field of a pitch.
I get people being anxious and annoyed at the team for, at the time, potentially letting all of the great stuff in the first half go to waste. But why the constant anti Robins stuff? You can bet your life that if Robins had made a change at half time and Tranmere had dominated it would have been his fault for bringing someone on.
I think some people want a miracle worker instead of a mere mortal as manager.
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Tbf we were incredibly fortunate to remain ahead by the time the subs came on, I stand by my comments but also credit Robins for making the changes.
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Nick said:
So people were right in calling for changes then?
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So people are right to be on Robins back a few minutes into the second half?
The point being made is not about the call for changes, it is about the fact that the minute anything is pecieved as being wrong it is down to the manager, Who, according to the four or five posters quoted, is letting us down once again.
Interesting to note, unless I have missed their posts, but none of them came on to say well done for subs that changed the games. Also interesting that considering the experts we have on here, that none actually called for the changes that Robins made which won us the game.
 
Nick

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Irish Sky Blue said:
So people are right to be on Robins back a few minutes into the second half?
The point being made is not about the call for changes, it is about the fact that the minute anything is pecieved as being wrong it is down to the manager, Who, according to the four or five posters quoted, is letting us down once again.
Interesting to note, unless I have missed their posts, but none of them came on to say well done for subs that changed the games. Also interesting that considering the experts we have on here, that none actually called for the changes that Robins made which won us the game.
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People are right to be calling for a change, yes.

I am pretty sure some called for Baka to come on to help get us up the pitch a bit more.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Irish Sky Blue said:
So people are right to be on Robins back a few minutes into the second half?
The point being made is not about the call for changes, it is about the fact that the minute anything is pecieved as being wrong it is down to the manager, Who, according to the four or five posters quoted, is letting us down once again.
Interesting to note, unless I have missed their posts, but none of them came on to say well done for subs that changed the games. Also interesting that considering the experts we have on here, that none actually called for the changes that Robins made which won us the game.
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You know what happened actually proved us all right
 
Irish Sky Blue

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fernandopartridge said:
Tbf we were incredibly fortunate to remain ahead by the time the subs came on, I stand by my comments but also credit Robins for making the changes.
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Did you credit him during the game? If so fair enough.
With regard to your criticism of Robins, when should he have made the change? They were on top from the opening minutes of the second half. Surely any manager worth their salt looks at what is happening, sizes up the situation and makes the change that is going to effect the game positively rather than blindly replacing players?
Again no one suggested the change he actually made.
With regard to luck, yes we were lucky with the penalty miss but in terms of direct chances the only two I can remember were the sramble when Marosi got the head injury and his superb palm over the bar. (surely good pieces of defending rather than luck?) The penalty itself, as with ours looks soft. Either way that is surely down to player error (Dabo) than anything the manager did or didn't do.
I think some people need to get off of Robins back and be a bit more fair minded rather than reactive as soon as anything goes wrong.
 
Nick

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Irish Sky Blue said:
You're ignoring what I am saying.
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I'm really not.

You need to take the context into consideration, we were getting hammered. We couldn't get out of our half.

Marosi made an amazing save, McCallum cleared one off the line and they missed a penalty. People were calling for a change to deal with it else we could quite easily have been 2-2 or worse and it would have been a different game.
 
Grendel

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Nick said:
I'm really not.

You need to take the context into consideration, we were getting hammered. We couldn't get out of our half.

Marosi made an amazing save, McCallum cleared one off the line and they missed a penalty. People were calling for a change to deal with it else we could quite easily have been 2-2 or worse and it would have been a different game.
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It was the same in the Lincoln game when from nothing they battered us for 20 minutes and we got away with a penalty and red card
 
shmmeee

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hill83 said:
Possession is measured by the amount of competed passes isn't it? Not by a bloke with a stopwatch measuring how long we have the ball.
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Yeah they add up all the passes and it’s the percentage of each. That’s why our stats are always so high because we pass a lot compared to say Wycombe.
 
shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
You know what happened actually proved us all right
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You excited yet FP? You’re the canary in the mine. When you believe...

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B

Brighton Sky Blue

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Irish Sky Blue said:
Did you credit him during the game? If so fair enough.
With regard to your criticism of Robins, when should he have made the change? They were on top from the opening minutes of the second half. Surely any manager worth their salt looks at what is happening, sizes up the situation and makes the change that is going to effect the game positively rather than blindly replacing players?
Again no one suggested the change he actually made.
With regard to luck, yes we were lucky with the penalty miss but in terms of direct chances the only two I can remember were the sramble when Marosi got the head injury and his superb palm over the bar. (surely good pieces of defending rather than luck?) The penalty itself, as with ours looks soft. Either way that is surely down to player error (Dabo) than anything the manager did or didn't do.
I think some people need to get off of Robins back and be a bit more fair minded rather than reactive as soon as anything goes wrong.
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Think you've got to admit that we have a predictable pattern of coming out very sluggish in the second half, it's not just this game. Don't know how much of that can be put on the manager but it's been a problem both this season and last.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think you've got to admit that we have a predictable pattern of coming out very sluggish in the second half, it's not just this game. Don't know how much of that can be put on the manager but it's been a problem both this season and last.
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Apart from the games where we’ve been behind
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Nick said:
People are right to be calling for a change, yes.

I am pretty sure some called for Baka to come on to help get us up the pitch a bit more.
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Show me the post that called for Baka and O’Hare to come on which is the change Robins made and which ultimately won us the game. I don’t think you will find one.
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Nick said:
I'm really not.

You need to take the context into consideration, we were getting hammered. We couldn't get out of our half.

Marosi made an amazing save, McCallum cleared one off the line and they missed a penalty. People were calling for a change to deal with it else we could quite easily have been 2-2 or worse and it would have been a different game.
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Hammered? We were winning 2-1. I think most people felt we needed a change, myself included. The difference between a few posters on here and the majority of City fans, I would think, when we are struggling is to start criticising the manager. Look at the timings of the posts copied in. They are within minutes of the start of the second half. The issue isn’t about making changes, discussion on that is fair enough. It’s the comments about the manager which I think are really unfair.
 
Nick

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Irish Sky Blue said:
Hammered? We were winning 2-1. I think most people felt we needed a change, myself included. The difference between a few posters on here and the majority of City fans, I would think, when we are struggling is to start criticising the manager. Look at the timings of the posts copied in. They are within minutes of the start of the second half. The issue isn’t about making changes, discussion on that is fair enough. It’s the comments about the manager which I think are really unfair.
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At that stage we were being hammered and were very lucky as they could have scored 3.

You need to look at context and timings of when things were posted.
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think you've got to admit that we have a predictable pattern of coming out very sluggish in the second half, it's not just this game. Don't know how much of that can be put on the manager but it's been a problem both this season and last.
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Lincoln and Tranmere stand out, can’t think of too many others off the top of my head. I can also think of Fleetwood and Ipswich where we came out after half time and immediately turned things in our favour.
 
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Irish Sky Blue said:
Lincoln and Tranmere stand out, can’t think of too many others off the top of my head. I can also think of Fleetwood and Ipswich where we came out after half time and immediately turned things in our favour.
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Peterborough
Sunderland
Shrews

Not necessarily arguing here but would certainly seem we take our feet off the gas when leading at HT, usually after missing a few golden chances in the first half. When we need to chase the game the mentality will obviously be different.
 
robbiekeane

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Would love us to have some kind of phone in/Skype call when shite like this comes out. Would bury it within about 30 seconds but people just reply to half of a post of ignore parts.

So what I’m hearing (reading) is:

- Changes were obviously needed because we were under the kosh big time
- There was a goal line clearance and a missed penalty and a worldy save from Marosi

CONTEXT THAT REQUIRES CONSIDERATION: Robins has on numerous occasions seemingly refused to change things which is often claimed to have cost us points. Also known to wait ridiculously late (those two subs in the 92nd minute a few weeks ago) before making any changes

- Certain people called for changes to be made
- Changes were indeed made
- Said changes had the desired positive impact on the game and we put them to the sword


Is that an accurate summary? If so can someone explain why someone is so butthurt that people were calling for changes?
Hilarious.
It’s similar to that bloke who is bafflingly smug and calling out people for demanding the system and approach to be changed a couple of games ago now that we are getting good results....now that the system and approach has been changed
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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robbiekeane said:
Would love us to have some kind of phone in/Skype call when shite like this comes out. Would bury it within about 30 seconds but people just reply to half of a post of ignore parts.

So what I’m hearing (reading) is:

- Changes were obviously needed because we were under the kosh big time
- There was a goal line clearance and a missed penalty and a worldy save from Marosi

CONTEXT THAT REQUIRES CONSIDERATION: Robins has on numerous occasions seemingly refused to change things which is often claimed to have cost us points. Also known to wait ridiculously late (those two subs in the 92nd minute a few weeks ago) before making any changes

- Certain people called for changes to be made
- Changes were indeed made
- Said changes had the desired positive impact on the game and we put them to the sword


Is that an accurate summary? If so can someone explain why someone is so butthurt that people were calling for changes?
Hilarious.
It’s similar to that bloke who is bafflingly smug and calling out people for demanding the system and approach to be changed a couple of games ago now that we are getting good results....now that the system and approach has been changed
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Read the posts. Nothing to do with calls for changes to be made. Everything to do with unfair criticism of Robins.
You were calling for him to be sacked two years ago when we were in the play off positions. Despite two years of improvement since, you continue to find fault but seldom if ever acknowledge the progress made.
Presumably we want the same thing. A successful, entertaining team. I see a manager who is providing that. Presumably you are seeing something else as you still seem to be angling for a change.
 
Johhny Blue

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Irish Sky Blue said:
I read through this thread after getting back from Birkenhead. Presumably most posters would have watched the same game as I did, many of the on Ifollow. They would have seen how we absolutely controlled the first half and that even after Tranmere scored that that control continued for the rest of the first half.
Having seen that story unfold in the first half, why would he have made any change that at that stage clearly wasn't necessary?
The comments on here criticising Robins for not making changes during Tranmere's purple patch are particularly unfair.

Classic Robins. Get a change on

What the hell does MR say at HT to change things so drastically against us?

Always is the problem with Robins - he never adapts his formation or game play despite the opposition doing it

Typical Robins where are the changes !!!

He does nothing, that's the problem. He needs to anticipate what they'll do but doesn't. They've just stepped up 10 yards and we've sunk back.

The above are a few of the comments at the time Tranmere were on top. We had our subs warming up from the start of the second half. The staff were talking to one or two, giving out technical information, within 5 minutes of the restart. Robins brought on Bakayoko and O'Hare and changed the game back in our favour (within minutes both had combined to set up Godden second goal).
These comments come after two successive wins (the second of which was a 4-1 win at the home of the previously unbeaten league leaders) and after a brilliant half of football on a paddy field of a pitch.
I get people being anxious and annoyed at the team for, at the time, potentially letting all of the great stuff in the first half go to waste. But why the constant anti Robins stuff? You can bet your life that if Robins had made a change at half time and Tranmere had dominated it would have been his fault for bringing someone on.
I think some people want a miracle worker instead of a mere mortal as manager.
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If some of the regular posters on here were manager we’d have no subs left after about 20 mins
 
Nonleagueherewecome

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think you've got to admit that we have a predictable pattern of coming out very sluggish in the second half, it's not just this game. Don't know how much of that can be put on the manager but it's been a problem both this season and last.
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I think it's natural that when a side is behind and at home having been played off the park, there's going to be a reaction second half. We're in a "it aint broken" situation, they make adjustments, then we respond, which is what happened. It's unrealistic to expect us to dominate 100% of a match: the opposition is always going to have a spell of being in the game, especially when chasing it-that's just football and managers frequently mention it in their post-match interviews. We don't consciously sit back and invite pressure and panic, but that's what happens, especially in the lower leagues. But we snapped out of it very well with the help of timely and shrewd subsitutions.
 
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Irish Sky Blue said:
Hammered? We were winning 2-1. I think most people felt we needed a change, myself included. The difference between a few posters on here and the majority of City fans, I would think, when we are struggling is to start criticising the manager. Look at the timings of the posts copied in. They are within minutes of the start of the second half. The issue isn’t about making changes, discussion on that is fair enough. It’s the comments about the manager which I think are really unfair.
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Ive said this for a long time. There are members on here who go missing for weeks or even months but as soon as we hit a couple of poor results they are on here posting the crap about the clock is ticking or a taxi for MR.

i really do think there has always been that feeling of negativity around the club from a section of our so called supporters who it seems enjoy a loss as it gives them a chance to get on the managers or players backs
 
ccfcway

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When people keep saying “context” and then listing their context but seemingly omit to say as part of this context.....We have lost hardly any games this season, robins has outthought many a manager and we have often come back to win or draw games from losing positions, something we historically just didn’t do.
 
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Nonleagueherewecome said:
I think it's natural that when a side is behind and at home having been played off the park, there's going to be a reaction second half. We're in a "it aint broken" situation, they make adjustments, then we respond, which is what happened. It's unrealistic to expect us to dominate 100% of a match: the opposition is always going to have a spell of being in the game, especially when chasing it-that's just football and managers frequently mention it in their post-match interviews. We don't consciously sit back and invite pressure and panic, but that's what happens, especially in the lower leagues. But we snapped out of it very well with the help of timely and shrewd subsitutions.
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I don’t expect complete domination of games and I get that the losing side has to put in more effort to get back in the game. It’s just been frustrating to watch happen quite often this season and last.
 
Sky Blue Harry H

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m sure I went to the game and didn’t see either a penalty or a red card
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Presumably the 'handball' shout ?

Incidentally, i am confused by the official's interpretation of the rules (or my understanding of them). When the Wycombe defender fouled McCallum, the ref awarded a penalty, but didn't send the defender off, due to the double jeopardy rule (which I get, sort of); yet on the same day, watching the Quest highlights, there was a game (think it was L2), where the defender brought down the attacker and the ref sent him off AND awarded the penalty (it wasn't a violent challenge) Can anybody explain (Adge)?
 
Nick

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ccfcway said:
When people keep saying “context” and then listing their context but seemingly omit to say as part of this context.....We have lost hardly any games this season, robins has outthought many a manager and we have often come back to win or draw games from losing positions, something we historically just didn’t do.
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Yeah as in context of at the time of the game.

It's like when we are playing awful in a game and people mention it at the time it is happening.

We can have a shocking first half and an amazing second half, it doesn't change the fact that the first half was shocking.
 
hill83

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Nick said:
Yeah as in context of at the time of the game.

It's like when we are playing awful in a game and people mention it at the time it is happening.

We can have a shocking first half and an amazing second half, it doesn't change the fact that the first half was shocking.
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It’s still whinging though.
 
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