General Election 2019 thread (2 Viewers)

theferret said:

OK, I waded in based on one post without reading the thread.

I don't buy into the lazy 'racist PM' tropes though.

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I didn't say the man was racist-though I can't rule it out entirely. I said he has made racist comments. How has the response to his comments about Muslims compared to 0.1% of the Labour Party facing anti-Semitism complaints? Bashing Muslims is still fair game in this country.

fernandopartridge said:

She states that she herself is a nurse. She's a liar.
As for "Leeds Hospital" vernacular is important in the NHS and any fule kno that its known as "LGI".

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Yeah, just read the post again and she does.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

I didn't say the man was racist-though I can't rule it out entirely. I said he has made racist comments. How has the response to his comments about Muslims compared to 0.1% of the Labour Party facing anti-Semitism complaints? Bashing Muslims is still fair game in this country.

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I'm guessing the reference is to the letterbox comment he made. Read the whole piece though and it does shed a slightly different light on it given that he was defending the right of Muslim women to wear the hijab in response to Denmark's decision to ban it. I'm not sure why he uses such silly language though, it's foolish and clumsy, and detracted from what was probably a reasonable point.

We have to be careful though that legitimate criticism of Islam, whether that be in relation to the oppression of women, FGM, the murder of homosexuals etc. is not shut down. It's why I dislike the word 'islamaphobia'. The word has no meaning. Criticism of Islam should not be confused with racism against Muslims.

In other news, what was Jo Swinson thinking when she announced the gender self-ID policy? Hardly a vote winner and will plague her for the remainder of the campaign and lead to more excrutiating inverviews like this:

westcountry_skyblue said:

View attachment 13633 Just been sent this on Facebook,A fcuking disgrace if true.
Liebour/Momentum fake news???

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No it's real and it happened. Thats Tory fake news like the 'punch' trying to smear it.


In fact....

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Otis said:

I was in A&E with my mum in November. It was ridiculously busy. She is 89 and fell and hit her head on the front door and smashed the glass.

She sat a hospital bed in a corridor for 6 hours until she was seen by a doctor.

I counted the beds and there were 14 more beds in the corridor behind her. I couldn't see around the corner .

This was on a Friday morning around 10.30. I commented on the situation and how busy it was to a nurse and she said it was like that every day.

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Yep 2 years ago at walsgrave when my dad was taken there in his last few hours he spent most of his time lined up in a corridor with 10 others. Staff were amazing amongst total chaos. After that experience I vowed never ever to vote Tory ever! They just don't care.

BBC News - General election 2019: Boris Johnson's bad day shows election not over
Johnson's bad day shows election not over

Brass in Pocket - Pretenders

Got phone in pocket
No bottle, I'm gonna lose it
Deflection, I feel invention
Gonna make you, make you, make you not notice

Gonna wave my arms
Gonna use my legs
Gonna use no style
Gonna use my sidestep
Gonna use my fingers
Gonna use my, my, my imagination

Johnson really is a disgrace, it’s unbelievable that he is likely to be elected PM.

Otis said:

BBC News - General election 2019: Boris Johnson's bad day shows election not over
Johnson's bad day shows election not over

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He could throw babies off rooftops and still lead by 10% thanks to the loyal dumbasses

Sick Boy said:

Johnson really is a disgrace, it’s unbelievable that he is likely to be elected PM.

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Yup. I simply cannot believe that the Tories cannot find a better candidate than this bumbling lunatic.

stupot07 said:

No it's real and it happened. Thats Tory fake news like the 'punch' trying to smear it.

In fact....

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I'm sorry, but you've all lost your minds. You're so desperate for this to be true that none of you are listening.

What happened has been confirmed by staff at the hospital. The child wasn't given a bed, true, but was in a chair in the treatment room. The parents placed the child on the floor to take the picture, also true. So the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between the hysterical takes from both sides.

It was a non critical case and the child was discharged with flu. It's a non-story.

Sick Boy said:

Johnson really is a disgrace, it’s unbelievable that he is likely to be elected PM.

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The good news though is, with the control of immigration we will be treated on hospital beds in future by physicists, prima ballerinas and kings and queens.

Otis said:

Yup. I simply cannot believe that the Tories cannot find a better candidate than this bumbling lunatic.

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They knew that a charlatan was their best shot compared to another Mrs May

theferret said:

I'm sorry, but you've all lost your minds. You're so desperate for this to be true that none of you are listening.

What happened has been confirmed by staff at the hospital. The child wasn't given a bed, true, but was in a chair in the treatment room. The parents placed the child on the floor to take the picture, also true. So the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between the hysterical takes from both sides.

It was a non critical case and the child was discharged with flu. It's a non-story.

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there are stories like this every day all over social media posted by doctors, (Dr. Dominic Pimenta is particularly good). I have listened to several radio interviews with doctors who paint a similarly bleak picture.
The NHS is in crisis, whether this Leeds story has been exaggerated or not.

theferret said:

I'm guessing the reference is to the letterbox comment he made. Read the whole piece though and it does shed a slightly different light on it given that he was defending the right of Muslim women to wear the hijab in response to Denmark's decision to ban it. I'm not sure why he uses such silly language though, it's foolish and clumsy, and detracted from what was probably a reasonable point.

We have to be careful though that legitimate criticism of Islam, whether that be in relation to the oppression of women, FGM, the murder of homosexuals etc. is not shut down. It's why I dislike the word 'islamaphobia'. The word has no meaning. Criticism of Islam should not be confused with racism against Muslims.

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I have read it, some time ago when it kicked off. ‘I defend your right to look like a letterbox and burglar’ is an odd way to pay a compliment and it led to a spike in abuse of that demographic. But sure, keep looking for excuses. If Corbyn had said it you’d be on it like Johnson on hot chips

theferret said:

I'm sorry, but you've all lost your minds. You're so desperate for this to be true that none of you are listening.

What happened has been confirmed by staff at the hospital. The child wasn't given a bed, true, but was in a chair in the treatment room. The parents placed the child on the floor to take the picture, also true. So the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between the hysterical takes from both sides.

It was a non critical case and the child was discharged with flu. It's a non-story.

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Hmmm...easy to say though, ferret. Have you ever had a 4 year old? I am sure the family didn't think it was flu when they took him in and the hospital wouldn't have known it was flu at first either. Yup, it was proved to be flu in the end and not critical, but that sort of deflects from point doesn't it.

And if it's a non story, why are the hospital extremely sorry

What is happening in our A&E departments right now is totally unacceptable and I have first hand experience

Otis said:

The good news though is, with the control of immigration we will be treated on hospitals in future by physicists, prima ballerinas and kings and queens.

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I love your optimism that there will even be a health service under the Tories.

Otis said:

Yup. I simply cannot believe that the Tories cannot find a better candidate than this bumbling lunatic.

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The even worse bit is that I don’t believe he is actually pro Brexit nor anti immigration, it’s all just to get into and retain power

Sick Boy said:

The even worse bit is that I don’t believe he is actually pro Brexit not anti immigration, it’s all just to get into and retain power

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We know his original stance at least was a political calculation. Act like the man of the people, deploy jokes and accent then watch the votes roll in. And they will.

Otis said:

Hmmm...easy to say though, ferret. Have you ever had a 4 year old? I am sure the family didn't think it was flu when they took him in and the hospital wouldn't have known it was flu at first either. Yup, it was proved to be flu in the end and not critical, but that sort of deflects from point doesn't it.

And if it's a non story, why are the hospital extremely sorry

What is happening in our A&E departments right now is totally unacceptable and I have first hand experience

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I know. It’s a disgrace. My old ma in law fell and broke her hip back in 2008, and was stuck in a bed in a corridor for 5 hours before being seen. Fooking tories. Oh wait, labour were in power, and had been since 1997...,

in the last 4 months, been a regular visitor to Walsgrave and rugby hospitals, and apart from a similar A&E experience, (and parking issues) I have to say the service has been excellent. Wife has been seen within minutes of her appointment times, as have I.
nurses docs etc all very good, and kind.

From my point of view, the service was better than it used to be. . Appreciate this is a very short survey (2 people), but at least I know this is true, and not some fake bollocks to get all heated about.

clint van damme said:

there are stories like this every day all over social media posted by doctors, (Dr. Dominic Pimenta is particularly good). I have listened to several radio interviews with doctors who paint a similarly bleak picture.
The NHS is in crisis, whether this Leeds story has been exaggerated or not.

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No it’s OK because a sick child was given a chair. Day one at nursing training and they tell you that a chair is far better than a bed when treating a sick child. Honest gov. In fact when I was ill as a child I remember saying to my mum that I don’t feel well so I’m going to bed and her telling me not to be stupid with that sick bed nonsense it’s a sick chair that I needed. I also remember asking for a bowl in case I was sick, again she chastised me. Be quite with your nonsensical talk of bowls she would say, here, take this thimble. Kid’s hey.

olderskyblue said:

Nurses docs etc all very good, and kind.

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Same. Has anyone argued otherwise?

Never had any problems at all with the doctors and nurses.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

We know his original stance at least was a political calculation. Act like the man of the people, deploy jokes and accent then watch the votes roll in. And they will.

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The strange part is that people actually fall for the anti elite man of the people nonsense

Otis said:

Same. Has anyone argued otherwise?

Never had any problems at all with the doctors and nurses.

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you missed the bit about being seen within minutes of the appointment times then? From our pov, the service has been excellent.

although sitting in A&E , you do wonder why some people are there. I know you can’t tell, but some looked completely fit and healthy.

olderskyblue said:

you missed the bit about being seen within minutes of the appointment times then? From our pov, the service has been excellent.

although sitting in A&E , you do wonder why some people are there. I know you can’t tell, but some looked completely fit and healthy.

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I didn't miss it. The problem is predominantly A&E isn't it?

olderskyblue said:

you missed the bit about being seen within minutes of the appointment times then? From our pov, the service has been excellent.

although sitting in A&E , you do wonder why some people are there. I know you can’t tell, but some looked completely fit and healthy.

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theferret said:

I'm sorry, but you've all lost your minds. You're so desperate for this to be true that none of you are listening.

What happened has been confirmed by staff at the hospital. The child wasn't given a bed, true, but was in a chair in the treatment room. The parents placed the child on the floor to take the picture, also true. So the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between the hysterical takes from both sides.

It was a non critical case and the child was discharged with flu. It's a non-story.

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So, why is Robert Buckland, Conservative MP, on the TV now saying it is a concerning incident and why is he saying Boris Johnson has apologised and so too, Matt Hancock.

A lot of a concern and apology for a non-story isn't it?

Sick Boy said:

The strange part is that people actually fall for the anti elite man of the people nonsense

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He offers quick fixes and sweeping statements that could appeal to anyone. A lot like the Leave campaign it’s a persuasive way of making someone believe their own truth from what he says.

westcountry_skyblue said:

View attachment 13633 Just been sent this on Facebook,A fcuking disgrace if true.
Liebour/Momentum fake news???

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You have to be thick as pig shit to believe a random post on Facebook over the actual hospital themselves.

olderskyblue said:

you missed the bit about being seen within minutes of the appointment times then? From our pov, the service has been excellent.

although sitting in A&E , you do wonder why some people are there. I know you can’t tell, but some looked completely fit and healthy.

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I suspect that a great proportion of people rock up in A&E because they have no confidence in getting seen within a day or two by their GP, which desperately needs attention.
Both me and the missus have had some health problems this year and last, and have needed to go to A&E by ambulance. The A&E departments in Worcester and Gloucester are little more than ambulance parking areas due to the under-resourcing (or over-population) of the department. This is having a knock-on effect on the over-stretched ambulance services (if you have watched Ambulance on the BBC you'll know this) because about half their staff and vehicles are waiting for their patients to be booked in to A&E.
You'll also have seen on Ambulance the number of times an ambulance crew take the elderly or drunk or mentally ill to A&E because they have nowhere else to go or no-one to look after them until the GP opens, when they really are not emergencies. It is more about a lack of social care, in my view.

But when this story broke, I immediately thought of "Drop The Dead Donkey" and the way Stephen Tomkinson's character was always setting scenes up for greatest impact. I think this has been blown out of proportion - he was in a treatment room not a corridor.

Otis said:

Hmmm...easy to say though, ferret. Have you ever had a 4 year old? I am sure the family didn't think it was flu when they took him in and the hospital wouldn't have known it was flu at first either. Yup, it was proved to be flu in the end and not critical, but that sort of deflects from point doesn't it.

And if it's a non story, why are the hospital extremely sorry

What is happening in our A&E departments right now is totally unacceptable and I have first hand experience

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You're missing the point Otis. It is the misrepresentation that is the problem.

Yes, I have 3 children, and I once had an horrendous experience with my first child, which was under a Labour government in fact (but I didn't blame Tony Blair personally).

The issue is this - what happened was that a poorly child went into hospital. There was no bed for that child, so he was sat in the treatment room. No doubt, he was uncomfortable and wanted to lie down, so his parents puts some coats on the floor and he lay on them. I am sure I would have done the same. But I would not have tried to make a political point out of it, because I am also grown up enough to understand that in no system will it ever be possible to put everyone who walks into A&E in a bed and that cases are prioritised.

So, why just not report it like this? Why, when I turn on the radio this morning is the headline '4 year old boy with pneumonia treated on hospital floor'. None of that is actually true, neither the diagnosis or the claim that he was 'treated' on the floor. Report the facts and let people make up their own mind. Then, Johnson was castigated for not looking at the picture when a journalist tried to stitch him up. When, the video that accompanied this, shows Boris both looking at the picture (belatedly yes) and then apologising.

It's the same with Corbyn. I don't like him, but I like to think I don't like him for the right reasons and not because of the smears.

Nobody listens anymore. Nobody takes time to listen to or understand Johnson or Corbyn and their world view and make an informed, reasonable judgement based on their ideas or their voting record or anything meaningful. It's just hysteria and it isn't healthy.

Otis said:

So, why is Robert Buckland, Conservative MP, on the TV now saying it is a concerning incident and why is he saying Boris Johnson has apologised and so too, Matt Hancock.

A lot of a concern and apology for a non-story isn't it?

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Because people like yourself are always pushing one side of the story and nit the other. Lies like this lad having to sleep on the floor get taken as gospel and the truth won't be known by all. Then brush off the damage done by Labour to the NHS and make out it didn't happen.

The problem is that neither side can be trusted.

But if we can ignore what happened to the NHS and everyone losing out on pensions after the last Labour government and just say it won't happen again......

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Yep, there are obviously times when you just drop in lucky at a quite period and get seen quickl, but the average waits are getting longer every year.

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