fernandopartridge
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Yeah, fair point
Should Mark Robins be sacked? (1 Viewer)
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Yeah, fair point
Esoterica
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There seems to be a clear divide to me - the people who are down are primarily looking at what is served up on the pitch by our own team. Now there are further sub-divides between those who feel it's tactics and those blaming individual players but the commonality is that there appears to be no escaping this collapse we find ourselves on with the finish line in sight unless Robins does something fundamentally different (which he hasn't all season).
On the other side of it, the optimists are ignoring what is happening on the pitch and pointing at external things as reasons to stay positive - we're only 3 points of the playoffs, no-one gets out of this division first time, anyone can beat anyone in this league, our core squad is under contract for next year, we've had injuries, sacking the manager every 18 month gets us nowhere.
It's always going to be fractious when people are basing their beliefs on two completely separate sets of information.
Is the bigger picture really so optimistic though? How many STs do you think we'll sell next year if this really is another post christmas implosion? 4k? I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a 2nd season in this league to reduce our attendances to closer to 5k than 7k especially set against the backdrop of the same match day pricing model being used and another season of fan uncertainty driven by just a 1 year Ricoh extension. Do you think we'll be able to afford to keep Jones, McNulty, Andreu, Willis etc on those gates? Will they want to stay? Are we really reliant on Wilson or Maddison being sold to be competitive next year? All genuine questions, I'm not informed enough about those things to know but there just seems to me to be a lot of dependencies before we can get too optimistic for next year already.
clint van damme
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As pissed off as I am I don't want him sacked.
One of my biggest gripes of recent seasons has been players on short term contract and the constant churn of personnel.
Well Robins has been allowed to recruit longer term so it seems pointless to do that and then sack the man who bought the players in half way through their contracts.
Having said that, I have serious concerns about the budget next year ifST sales dip and we won't always have the cup revenue generated so far this season and in the Checkatrade.
One of my biggest gripes of recent seasons has been players on short term contract and the constant churn of personnel.
Well Robins has been allowed to recruit longer term so it seems pointless to do that and then sack the man who bought the players in half way through their contracts.
Having said that, I have serious concerns about the budget next year ifST sales dip and we won't always have the cup revenue generated so far this season and in the Checkatrade.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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It would be totally pointless & self-defeating sacking him now.
Give him the full season.......if we don't make play-offs by a considerable margin......then sack him
If we make the Play-offs, then we've surely got to give him more time next season......even if we ultimately fail in the play-off lottery.
Give him the full season.......if we don't make play-offs by a considerable margin......then sack him
If we make the Play-offs, then we've surely got to give him more time next season......even if we ultimately fail in the play-off lottery.
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Mucca Mad Boys
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You raise valid points, I have an optimistic outlook on things (I imagine from my posts, very obvious). We could be in a very distopian position come the start of next season, who knows?
I say we have had attempted to make changes. We experimented with 3-4-3, we’ve now switched to 4-4-2 and have tried numerous personnel. A criticism that we ‘play with 2 DMs’ hasn’t been completely valid since Bayliss has been introduced to the starting XI. Meanwhile, we’ve lost Nazon, Jones, Andreu before Xmas - all big contributors. Now we’ve lost Davies, Grimmer and a couple of others are out with knocks.
One of the reasons I say we got relegated from L1 was the complete lack of continuity. We were in a position where we were revamping the squad every summer and changing managers often as well. Despite our flaws this season, I think we’ve built a solid foundation to build on and I think Robins and the squad, will hopefully, use this season as a learning curve.
Three games ago, the outlook was optimistic, now a lot of people are up in arms.
rupert_bear
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I understand the urgency for us to get out of this league, but if you look at the bigger picture, there's cause for optimism.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me about this bigger picture?
Please tell me about this bigger picture?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Please tell me about this bigger picture?[/QUOTE]
I assume that was paraphrasing me?
- Most teams fail to get out of this league at the first time of asking - we’ve done this all on one transfer window.
- Most of our players are under contract barring Bayliss. There probably won’t be a lot of pressure to sell up.
- Having players like Jones and Andreu coming back will be like brand new signings
- We’ve got some good young players who will hopefully improve the more football they get
- if we add to this group of players, I think we’re in good stead
- we’re still 3pts off playoffs - even top 3 (though v unlikely) isn’t completely off the cards yet.
On a separate note, I think Robins is a good manager, and a good fit for CCFC. He should have opportunity to learn from this season (assuming the season fizzles out), to add to the squad and we’ll see what he can do with a 100% fit side.
covcity4life
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no as this squad on longer term contracts so we should challenge next year if we dont go up this season
jones and andreu back will be huge
that said he needs to improve and learn
jones and andreu back will be huge
that said he needs to improve and learn
covcity4life
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14 games?
so like 11-12 wins for autos?
9 or 10 to make playoffs?
not looking good
so like 11-12 wins for autos?
9 or 10 to make playoffs?
not looking good
Otis
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You not concerned we might lose our best players?
Great if we can hang to them, but I would be expecting Bayliss, McNulty and Willis to be snapped up by a bigger team.
Someone might take a risk on Jones too. Robins said there had been interest in one of our injured players in the January window.
I am not all convinced that we can build on what we already have and believe it may more likely be a rebuild required.
Otis
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Yep. We have 50 points. Would say 83-84 points minimum for the automatic places. More than likely more than that.
Like you say. 11 wins out of 14 games.
Liquid Gold
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On a positive note if we make the playoffs we're likely to do it as the team in form which could help. I can't see us finishing in the top 10 if things don't drastically improve though.
I can take losing, I can't take gutless performances with no structure to our play and no tactical awareness to change things that aren't working.
I can take losing, I can't take gutless performances with no structure to our play and no tactical awareness to change things that aren't working.
Otis
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Totally agree.
Londonccfcfan
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Funny how the negative supporters crawl out the woodwork as soon as theres a lil bad run.
Same folk that say sweet fa when we are on a good run or winning.
Same folk that say sweet fa when we are on a good run or winning.
Londonccfcfan
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Love this ridiculous poll....
Sack him now?
No not yet.... Like its imminently inevitable.
Sack him now?
No not yet.... Like its imminently inevitable.
Otis
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Think if we lost 6 or 7 in a row it's a possibility.
Captain Dart
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That is false optimism.
There will almost certainly be injuries to players, maybe not the same ones.
So the squad will likely end up short of one or 2 players at this stage whatever.
If there are no important injuries then we will sail through, but that is unlikely isn't it?
skyblueinBaku
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Did your missus make these, Otis?
SkyBlueRuffian
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If we don’t make the play offs he has to go
lifeskyblue
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I’d keep robins...can’t see any better available unless we go for a complete unknown and hope for the best. We have lost a number of our better players (and the two most creative) and robins doesn’t seem to have a plan on how to compensate for that.
Personally can’t see us getting an auto slot and I’m beginning to worry about the playoffs but getting rid of robins isn’t yet the answer.
The difficulty for him (and his replacement if sacked) is that 3 or 4 players will leave for better things in the summer. So I would keep robins and make it clear that he has to get promotion in 18/19 or he will be out.
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Personally can’t see us getting an auto slot and I’m beginning to worry about the playoffs but getting rid of robins isn’t yet the answer.
The difficulty for him (and his replacement if sacked) is that 3 or 4 players will leave for better things in the summer. So I would keep robins and make it clear that he has to get promotion in 18/19 or he will be out.
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rupert_bear
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I assume that was paraphrasing me?
- Most teams fail to get out of this league at the first time of asking - we’ve done this all on one transfer window.
- Most of our players are under contract barring Bayliss. There probably won’t be a lot of pressure to sell up.
- Having players like Jones and Andreu coming back will be like brand new signings
- We’ve got some good young players who will hopefully improve the more football they get
- if we add to this group of players, I think we’re in good stead
- we’re still 3pts off playoffs - even top 3 (though v unlikely) isn’t completely off the cards yet.
On a separate note, I think Robins is a good manager, and a good fit for CCFC. He should have opportunity to learn from this season (assuming the season fizzles out), to add to the squad and we’ll see what he can do with a 100% fit side.[/QUOTE]
Where has he been a good manager never lasted much more than 2 years anywhere
Sky Blue Harry H
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Think that was a knee jerk frustrated comment straight after the game. Suspect he wishes he hadn't said it. Do think (particularly on good playing surfaces) he can demand more of the passing game of players. Hope someone gets the opportunity to ask about the hoof towards the touchline from every kick off (doesn't suggest 'pass the ball' style. Seems a small issue, but symptomatic of what Kelly keeps being accused of by some on here (and doesn't help dispel the idea). I want to see how the team performs in March (the next 3 are going to be difficult). Do hope we attack the league games from the off, though (none of this 'getting a foothold' rubbish that's so palpably failed. I'd still keep him (but hope he learns lessons).
Mucca Mad Boys
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Very arbitrary criteria. Who would you go for to replace him?
All well good sacking him, but then you have to get the right man in.
It did feel listening in that the second half showing was the best for eons (goal conceded apart),where we built sustained pressure.
Hoprful, something to build from?
That's what I'd take from it.
italiahorse
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Really ?
So what is it ?
The only evidence I have is on the pitch and I see a poor skill level on most players, even in this league where lesser teams are outplaying us.
steve82
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I fear losing none of them...
McNulty is very likely to stay if Robins does.
Willis if a offer comes great- he's gonna be entering the last 12 months of his deal and can walk for free in 12 months. I'd rather the fee.
Bayliss it's in the kids hands what he does.
JJ I'm hugely doubtful he's gonna leave in the summer. Still fitness to prove or reactions in his recovery.
Plays may leave. That's football, but the summer is there to rebuild again like all clubs
italiahorse
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Every year we rebuild again with lesser players.
If we don’t get up this year we won’t for many years to come.
The only way to stop the rot is to invest in the team and Sisu won’t do that.
A lot of people won’t be investing their money next year so the rot with lesser players will continue.
mechaishida
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Exactly this, bravo.
A definite No is the answer to the OP's poll. Personally, I believe MR has to have this season to 'steady the ship'; more setbacks and more instability will come from his dismissal.
Give the man a fecking chance, lads.
derbyskyblue
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Hmmm 11 wins, that seems like a tall order given our inconstancy .
Otis
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No. Her mum does though.
Otis
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Londonccfcfan
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Automatics is gone. unless miraculously we get on an amazing run.
We need to look to try and get into play offs and even that would need decent form and points haul I'm assuming a minimum of 74 to be safe of 7th place.
Assume we lose Mansfield and Wycombe. that would mean 24 points from 12 games.
Lincoln (H) - D - 1 points
Barnet (H) - W - 3 Points
Crewe (A) - D- 1 Point
Grimsby (H) - W- 3 Points
Newport (A) - L - 0 Points
Luton (H) - D 1 Point
Yeovil (H) - W 3 Points
Not C (A) - D 1 Point
Crawley (A) W 3 Points
Stevenage (H) W 3 Points
Cheltenham (A) D 1 Point
Morecambe (H) W 3 Points - Unfortunately our whole season will hang on winning this game! Lose or Draw we wont make play offs. Love to be in a position where we are safe of play offs before the final game but that doesn't look possible.
That would be 73 Points and a decent GD
Usually the team that runs into a bit of form at end of season does well in play offs.
Lets see, still a very exciting finale.
better days
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Let's all calm down
I think he'll come good
A few months back McNulty was being slated and a few weeks ago it was Biamou's turn
Some have talked about budget constraints but isn't the main problem the Financial Fair Play rules?
Robins had to get players off the payroll in January before he could bring others in to meet FFP didn't he?
I think he'll come good
A few months back McNulty was being slated and a few weeks ago it was Biamou's turn
Some have talked about budget constraints but isn't the main problem the Financial Fair Play rules?
Robins had to get players off the payroll in January before he could bring others in to meet FFP didn't he?
