First win of the season (7 Viewers)
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coundonskyblue
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They can't be that disrupting if we won.
If we don't show passion for the club why will the players?
If we don't show passion for the club why will the players?
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Yet another logic fail from the SISU OUT boys. Keep up the good work lads, for a minute you were in danger of being taken seriously.
coundonskyblue
New Member
Hows if failed logic? If we had lost yesterday you would all be claming the protests were the reason.
shmmeee
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The idea that because we won it can't have been disruptive is just idiotic. Maybe we'd have won 3-0 or 4-0. Maybe we'd have lost it proves nothing. Hence the logic fail.
shmmeee
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Could have sworn there were rules against this sort of crap on this site. Grow up or don't talk when the adults are talking.
coundonskyblue
New Member
Well you've just proved my own point there. If we had lost, won, or drawn then it will be down to what happens on the pitch not in the stand.
Who exactly are you blaming for this disruption anyway? The only thing the fans did was have a small bed sheet in the CET stand. Are modern footballers that fragile that a small sheet 60ft away can affect their game?
im-confused
Member
I bet you're one of these people who told the teacher every time someone said a swear word.
This is a free country with freedom of speech apparently "encouraged". Any distractions to the players was caused by the police's incompetence from what I saw.
Protests are just a way of football. It's a way for the fans to be heard. Would you rather the fans set off a bomb somewhere to be heard like many other countries and societies do?
The way I see it, there's nothing wrong with a "peaceful protest" as long as the police can handle it efficiently.
Astute
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so why was it that the only period that Derby were all over us was when the protests were at their loudest? The second half was the best I have seen them play for many years. This was when the protests were their quietest. " All a coincidence" you will say. You will now come back with "It was the fault of the police" or "it was the stewards fault" or It was SISU's fault. Everything is SISU's fault"
There is a time and a place for everything. Putting our players off during the game is not one of them. If you want us to keep losing and go down then carry on. At least you can then say you knew we would go down.
No, which is exactly the same reason why sisu won't be bothered by a small sheet hundreds of miles away
im-confused
Member
The most danger that derby created was the first 10 minutes of the second half.. which was also dead quiet.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Well said little boy. It is good to see you are knowledgable in the use of big meaningful words. It is people like you that makes others think that this SISU out business is being treated like a joke or a wind up. If you have anything meaningful to say then say it. If you lack the intelligence to say anything meaningful then just read and learn.
ccfcway
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Yesterday showed that the margins of success and failure are minimum, and with some investment, SISU might be in danger of getting some money for the club !
Why should people roll over and have their bellies tickled by SISU just because they wrote a letter and bought a Norwich reserve...
The result papered over the cracks....
Why should people roll over and have their bellies tickled by SISU just because they wrote a letter and bought a Norwich reserve...
The result papered over the cracks....
Astute
Well-Known Member
So we are not seeing any improvement? You do not have to love SISU to notice there have been vast improvements in the way we play since they took over. You do not have to love SISU to see we are on the right tracks. You do not need to love SISU to know we need at least two loans in midfield. You don't need to love SISU to know we hardly had any assets when they took over. You don't need to love SISU to realise we only sold one player at the start of the season although they are said to be asset strippers.
So if you have realised things are getting much better although you recognise there is more work to be done do you count as a SISU lover? Some of us are more realistic. Our club was on it's knees when they took over. We are now improving, but are still a work in progress. Still don't trust them yet, but now at least things are improving. Does it make me a SISU lover because I have noticed the improvements. Does it make me a SISU lover because I know it puts off players whilst protesting loudly during a game?
The team have pulled together. We could be in for our best season for years. It is about time we pulled together ourselves. SISU are our owners at the moment. Putting off our players will hurt the team and results. It will not hurt SISU. If and when there is an alternative to them then a protest might help. Not until then though.
coundonskyblue
New Member
When Sisu took over we were 11th in the league, had an average attendence of 20k & owned the training ground.
I'll admit that the previous owners were worse and are still to blame for the current mess, but to try and suggest that we are improving is ridiculous. Please explain to me how we have improved? The only difference I can see is that the threat of admin is less as all the debt is owed to the owner.
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Glenn Storer
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I think this thread is very, very unfair Godiva.
As Andy said anyone connected with the club would have been very happy with yesterday's result. It's not often we get to say this, so I'm hammering out on the net like a dog with a bone: City fans were blameless yesterday. The Police over-reacted to a reasonable question regarding identification. Stewards waded in to a sparesly populated area and ejected fans and flags again, but left flags in the heavily populated area of the stands. That's what angers a lot of people.
There's so many positives from yesterdays game. SISU is irrelevant to it all now. City fans need to stand together. On here included. So I'd ask that some of the people who are baiting each other on here have a holiday.
As Andy said anyone connected with the club would have been very happy with yesterday's result. It's not often we get to say this, so I'm hammering out on the net like a dog with a bone: City fans were blameless yesterday. The Police over-reacted to a reasonable question regarding identification. Stewards waded in to a sparesly populated area and ejected fans and flags again, but left flags in the heavily populated area of the stands. That's what angers a lot of people.
There's so many positives from yesterdays game. SISU is irrelevant to it all now. City fans need to stand together. On here included. So I'd ask that some of the people who are baiting each other on here have a holiday.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Spot-on Glenn, as a lot of us were saying last night it was a good game, a passionate performance. Whatever you think of SISU (and a few they'd won around switched off again yesterday!), most fans were unhappy with the way the protests were handled and sang their hearts out to back the team.
I quoted AT last night about the fans and I'll do it again for those who chose to ignore it: he said there was a bit of distraction-during the part where the cops were getting heavy handed-but then said "but no, we can't complain, they've been brilliant for us".
Ultimately, if the banners had been left and the fans not harassed by heavy handed authority, the players wouldn't have even noticed any protest. KEN WOULD THOUGH, so that's another positive!
Astute
Well-Known Member
We are not now losing over 5m a year. We now do not have a squad where even the fans are saying most of them are useless. We no longer have players on inflated wages. We have a manager that has got the players playing good football for the 1st time in many years. We have an academy now that is doing a very good job. With a couple of good loans we could have our best season since we got relegated. All the other teams use the loan system. Why should we not?
So many of the anti SISU call them asset strippers amongst other things. When they took us over we had a distinct lack of assets. They purchased most of the assets they sold. We have always been a selling club. Why did the same people then not call us an asset stripping club before SISU took over?
I still have a bit of mistrust in SISU, but they seem to have sorted many things out and we have at last started the recovery period. The way down whilst things were being sorted has been hard and painful. At least we still have a club, are a Championship team and some very good players/prospects for the future. We do not have the given right to be a top flight team. Our club was rottten from top to bottom. How many thought it was going to be a quick and easy fix when SISU took over? Was it just more painful than you thought it would be? Should they just have kept pumping untold millions in like at Fester and Cardiff. It has done them no good has it? Their way does not do team spirit much good. We have quality in the team now. Just short on squad numbers. Would you be happier if we had shite players making up the numbers in the squad. At least you could then complain we have a shite squad. This has been the usual comment most seasons for many years.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Rather than getting all angry reading something that really winds you up or Grinds Your Gears, just add those posters to your ignore list! It really is much better for everyone else. Plus you can have a slightly smug feeling when you see that those people are posting, as they may be replying to something you've said in order to wind you up again. But you can't see what they've typed, so they're wasting their time! Which I think you are by getting so stressed that you resort to name-calling. It aint good for the heart, and watching CCFC is enough for any man!
coundonskyblue
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We don't know how much were losing, the figure keeps changing. Stats would suggest the squad is worse than when they took over, we might play nice football now but results need to follow. As good as yesterday was we need to remember that was 1 game. With regard to the accademy we have always produced some good players.
I have never said that Sisu are asset strippers, I agree that when they took over there was nothing to sell.
I am an anti sisu supporter, but I don't think that sisu are trying to do anything sinister. I do think however that they are incompetent, don't have any financial clout, and have no idea of how to run a football club like CCFC. Those are the reasons I want them out as they are not fit to run our club.
Also I and I think 90% of City fans don't want/expect Sisu to throw millions at gambling in getting promoted. What I do expect of responsible owners though is small investment in the playing team over a sustained period so a promotion winning team can be built. This was what we were promised, yet we have owners that are willing to sell players the second any interest is shown in them (Fox, Dann, etc). Responsible owners would try and rebuff bids and try to persuade the players to stay.
Just remember Ray Ranson could have put together a team containing 2 England internationals for a modest amount yet Sisu refused to support him.
Nonleagueherewecome
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If there was a "double-like" button, I'd give that post one.:guitar2:
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Its only one game and three points...... doesnt solve anything, doesnt absolve anything. At the moment everything is possible - from selling the players and going down all the way to going on an incredible run to promotion ..... and all inbetween. None of it will change SISU's course, only their potential for financial outcome
The off field stuff was a complete over reaction. Sitting infront of that banner you could hear that group chanting SISU out but to be honest it wasnt catching on in the ground until the stewards marched in and went over the top. The aggro in Block 15 had nothing to do with SISU out protests because up until the banner incident swiftly followed by the police incident the only thing they concentrated on was getting behind the team - have to say Block 15 did a good job of that yesterday. What happened was not a good advert for our club - dont care if it damaged SISU's reputation or not
The off field stuff was a complete over reaction. Sitting infront of that banner you could hear that group chanting SISU out but to be honest it wasnt catching on in the ground until the stewards marched in and went over the top. The aggro in Block 15 had nothing to do with SISU out protests because up until the banner incident swiftly followed by the police incident the only thing they concentrated on was getting behind the team - have to say Block 15 did a good job of that yesterday. What happened was not a good advert for our club - dont care if it damaged SISU's reputation or not
Astute
Well-Known Member
I agree with nearly all of this. The difference we have is I hope they have been learning from their mistakes. The way I see it that we are better than when they took over is that we actually now have saleable assets. In this way we are better. The team are playing a lot better now than when they took over. I am starting to get a little excited on the future. If we can keep playing like we have done we will win more than we lose. This division is so close now. A winning streak can send you near the top of the table. We have a team capable of this. Just need loan players to come in of a bit of quality.
We do need a little more investment. A couple of signings in the Jan window would aid a promotion push. Don't think this will happen though.
But do we really believe that? Considering Henderson went straight into Sunderland's midfield after his loan spell with us I refuse to believe that they'd have sold him for a modest sum.
This 'SISU out' thing is a lot more complicated than the black/white, good/bad thing that seems to have developed.
While I'd love a billionaire to come in, clean up the finances, buy a great squad and get us promoted it's just not that simple. As far as I know, there is no credible candidate to come in and take the club off SISU's hands.
So:
- SISU keep the club, we sell a few players, buy cheap and rely on youth, and try to survive and stabilise in the Championship.
- SISU walk away, we lose our financial crutch and go into admin. We lose 10 points, we sell lots of players and almost certainly go down. We then hope someone buys us and gets us out of League 1. No guarantee on that though, for every Norwich/Southampton there's a Bradford/Sheff Wed.
That's obviously slightly speculative and there's a lot more grey area than that, but it gives an idea of where we could be left without SISU.
I do feel SISU were naive in taking the club on, they didn't have the required knowledge to run a football club and are now having to tighten the belt a little.
Paxman II
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The perpetual rant goes on and for many seems to take precedence over the football.
Just remember one thing folks before you take any sides with the operation of our football club:
We were 30 minutes from oblivion after a succession of bad owners.
I'm just glad we still have a football club.
Moving in the right direction? Well at least we are still here.
Any one wanting SISU out at any cost are short sighted. I wish there were some great investors on the horizon or a great big sugar daddy but reality is we have what we have and at least be grateful that we are staedying the ship and who knows we may become a club worth investing in again.
Just remember one thing folks before you take any sides with the operation of our football club:
We were 30 minutes from oblivion after a succession of bad owners.
I'm just glad we still have a football club.
Moving in the right direction? Well at least we are still here.
Any one wanting SISU out at any cost are short sighted. I wish there were some great investors on the horizon or a great big sugar daddy but reality is we have what we have and at least be grateful that we are staedying the ship and who knows we may become a club worth investing in again.
coundonskyblue
New Member
But at what point do we stop 'steadying the ship' and then move forwards? We need to know what the plan is.
If its just this forever more then we might as well go bust because I can't remember the last time I've been happy to be a city fan.
If its just this forever more then we might as well go bust because I can't remember the last time I've been happy to be a city fan.
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
There are a lot of very complicated reasons why people dislike SISU, and most of us who want to see the back of them are not naive enough to say "at any cost". But there is no way I will ever change my mind about them in any circumstances now.
And Paxman-please don't play the "they saved us" card again! They saw an opportunity to make money and got something on the cheap. They did it entirely from a selfish, capitalist investment opportunity perspective. That's fine, that's what these people do, unfortunately. In no way did they care about CCFC or its supporters then, and nor do they now. Plus we were 30 mins from administration, not liquidation. BIG difference.
And Paxman-please don't play the "they saved us" card again! They saw an opportunity to make money and got something on the cheap. They did it entirely from a selfish, capitalist investment opportunity perspective. That's fine, that's what these people do, unfortunately. In no way did they care about CCFC or its supporters then, and nor do they now. Plus we were 30 mins from administration, not liquidation. BIG difference.
Yesterday after the win?
Paxman II
Well-Known Member
Unlike most other clubs we did not own our stadium and so admin would have been a very different story to say the one at Leicester or Portsmouth.
Oblivion was very likely!
For whatever reason SISU invested it is their business and not one of us knows the precise details. They were so close to gaining control of Southampton before us (and they owned their stadium) so quite why they took us on I'm really not sure. I think Ranson had a large part in that decision. But take us on they did and to that end they were our saviours like it or not.
If you replace the name SISU with Jack Bloggs I would feel the same. Just how they thought they would make money I really fail to see other than the stadium's eventual purchase/part purchase/operating rights. That went pear shaped with the financial collapse so once the ship is steadied perhaps, just perhaps they will recover enough to make the stadium a part of the agenda once more be it for them or a future investor...
Glenn Storer
New Member
Just to play Devil's Advocate:
Let's say we're on HMS Coventry. We've sprung a bloody big leak and we're off to Davy Jones locker without a prayer. Ships are sailing past and waving goodbye, yet, lo! A ship who wants to help! However, they want to take out the mast, the rigging, send the sailors overboard and keep nothing but the cat.
Are we saved?
