Turner or Cody (3 Viewers)

[ICHAN]

People are saying we should have kept turner, he was amazing last year top of the championship rankings etc etc.
We all know he was getting better than previous years but he may have been going through a purple patch in form we will never know, however he has been out for so long could or would he have recaptured his form (hypertrhectical question I know).
However with the financial constraints we are under would you have rather kept him or sold for Cody?
If anyone had to be sold I feel it had to be him, out of all our saleable assets.

 

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[kg82]

If anyone had to be sold I feel it had to be him, out of all our saleable assets.

If this had been a memeber of the Board or SISU saying that there'd have been an uproar that the phrase "Saleable assets" was used!!

I think it was probably the right decision as we're lacking so much up front, but then we'll have to give it time and see how both players do.

 

[skybluesam66]

Need to consider the choice
Juke and Cody up front Keogh and crainie at the back

Or
Cody and Eastwood up front crainieand Turner at the back

That was probably what it came down to

 

[guicey15]

Im happy, Turner been injured since last November and kept picking up extra things, lengthening his time out. We also have plenty of defenders, 750k maybe a bit less than i was hoping but Cody looks like a great player and we desperately needed a striker. I actually think he looks a better player than ALF. Cody and alf both scored 25 goals in the same league last season and Cody only played in 41 against alf's 46

 

[Macca]

absolutely no idea at the moment. Turner as surplus to requirements really. but then Old Mac could end up in the CCFC strikers graveyard. Guess time will tell

 

[Ernie Machin]

Time will tell. Cody may well turn out to be the messiah, but he'll need the ammunition, something we're still short on.

 

[Macca]

Time will tell. Cody may well turn out to be the messiah, but he'll need the ammunition, something we're still short on.

and something every striker at CCFC has struggled with for a good 11 years

 

[ICHAN]

Think Mac is on his way to the sky blue strikers graveyard.
Think it was a mistake him coming back, like they say never go back, bit like ex's never the same second time around.
People hyped him up a bit to much wanting him as he was, and not a few years older down the line.

 

[Macca]

Think Mac is on his way to the sky blue strikers graveyard.
Think it was a mistake him coming back, like they say never go back, bit like ex's never the same second time around.
People hyped him up a bit to much wanting him as he was, and not a few years older down the line.

I meant Old Macdonald but will agree on the old Mcsheffrey too

 

[egastap]

People are saying we should have kept turner, he was amazing last year top of the championship rankings etc etc.
We all know he was getting better than previous years but he may have been going through a purple patch in form we will never know, however he has been out for so long could or would he have recaptured his form (hypertrhectical question I know).
However with the financial constraints we are under would you have rather kept him or sold for Cody?
If anyone had to be sold I feel it had to be him, out of all our saleable assets.

Wow ICHAN....you really had fun with that word after 'form' and before 'question' didn'y ya? LOL Yeah, that's a toughie!

 

[Otis]

Think for a lot of us it was the fee! £750,000 sounds very cheap to me.

If he goes on to be a crock then fair enough, but when fit he is worth so much more than that.

 

[Sub]

if we sell players to strengthen the squad that is fine, why couldnt the money used completly to fund the squad from the turner sale? and they could of used the money from dann and gunnarson for what ever else they needed to. Just seems they have done the minimum as usual. they could of used what was left of turners sale for a season long loan player or another lower leauge player who is hungry for sucess and has something to prove.

 

[TheParsonsHose]

We made the right choice IMO, we needed to bring new blood up front and thats exactly what we did.

 

[smileycov]

if we sell players to strengthen the squad that is fine, why couldnt the money used completly to fund the squad from the turner sale? and they could of used the money from dann and gunnarson for what ever else they needed to. Just seems they have done the minimum as usual. they could of used what was left of turners sale for a season long loan player or another lower leauge player who is hungry for sucess and has something to prove.

i think you have answered your own question....The "open" letter from SISU mentioned we would bring in loanees as soon as that window opens, lets see if that is the route they take. Can't seriously believe "business people" as that is all sisu are will go the season on just the bare bones we have!!

 

[ICHAN]

Wow ICHAN....you really had fun with that word after 'form' and before 'question' didn'y ya? LOL Yeah, that's a toughie!

Yeah should have googled it don't know where the r came from but proberly still wrong anyway.

 

[Sky Blue Sheepy]

Firstly we don't actually know it was £750k - It sounds like it was before the Parkin side of the deal collapsed so maybe we got more for him in the end. I doubt we'll ever know.

On the footballing side of things I'm much happier having McDonald upfront than Turner at the back, we have a dearth of Centre backs and I'm a huge fan of Cranie, McPake and Keogh and there's no guarantee Turner would show his early season form. What we desperately needed was a promising striker.

On the downside, it's a lot of hopes on McDonald, but get behind him and lets hope he shines! I'm not SISU's biggest fan (by a long way) but I think it made footballing sense

 

[Marty]

Time will tell, but at the moment, I truely think selling Ben to bring in Cody was a very good piece of business. Defence has plenty of cover & the forward line was seriously lacking, I would have sold either McPake or Wood as well to bring in another midfielder.

 

[skybluesteve76]

Great business for me. We needed a striker. Turner did well for a few months, but other than did nothing for years.

 

[ICHAN]

Problem is marty no one may have wanted mcpake or wood and here lies the problem, thats why I put saleable asset as there are proberly a few players at cov that aren't really worth that much either in footballing terms.

 

[egastap]

Yeah should have googled it don't know where the r came from but proberly still wrong anyway.

Yeah, it's 'hypothetical'....but it really is a tough one....darn that English language

 

[ICHAN]

Should have paid more attention in english class, lesson kids go to school just incase you ever need to spell 'hypothetical' on a forum one day.
Then again it will be shortened to some crazy text spelling anyway.:thinking about:

 

[egastap]

Should have paid more attention in english class, lesson kids go to school just incase you ever need to spell 'hypothetical' on a forum one day.
Then again it will be shortened to some crazy text spelling anyway.:thinking about:

Ain't that the truth!!

 

[ICHAN]

shouldn't that be 8nt that the truth!

 

[egastap]

shouldn't that be 8nt that the truth!

Don't know ICHAN....I'm way too old for that kinda speak.

You see, I only have one vocabulary and I use it for letters, e-mails, forums, speaking etc... I can't quite adapt to this modern crap-speak.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Turner or Cody ....... both, it should not have been a choice in the first place

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Silly question IMO-spend the transfer budget Ken claimed we had all summer on McDonald (indeed, why wait so long?!). If you're a bit short, use the Aron/Dann money. Keep Turner. If Ken was telling the truth, it should have been as simple as that!

:blue::blue::blue:

 

[ICHAN]

No one is saying it was a choice and yes in an ideal world we should have kept both but we are not in an ideal world.
Other people do not seem to think that it is a silly question.
Again were surmising nothing happened inbetween the transfer money in the summer being available and then it not being available.
Ok they could have said 'well the money that was going to be available on transfers at the start of the summer, is no longer available for X reason but they can't win no matter what anyway and im sure not all boards keep fans totally upto date with financial matters.
Maybe the dann/aron money has gone on paying ex managers that were hired by ranson and co, or on the monies that we owed and this was used to get us out of a transfer embargo so we could buy Cody?
To simple i'm afraid to just always blame sisu all the time without actual facts.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Well if that was the case then the board should disclose that information. But they didn't, so I'll stick with the "facts" as they claim them. At no point did Clouting or Dulieu say the summer transfer budget-or indeed the Westwood/Aron/King contract money-were no longer available. Indeed they repeatedly claimed that it was still in place, despite no incoming (and desperately needed) players. You know they did, there are plenty of quotes out there that are "facts", as in the board did claim this and there aint no arguing with it!

And on top of that claim, there is the Dann and Aron money. Then they sold Turner, without saying that the summer transfer budget had been withdrawn.

 

[musicmanskyblue]

Players like Turner should be the long term future of the club... I agree we needed a striker more than a defender. I think we have a more balanced squad for selling Turner and bringing in Cody but i feel the squad is weaker for it..

 

[shmmeee]

ddIf there was only interest in Clingan, Turner and Jukebox and we needed to let one go to get in a player in a position we've badly needed all season, Turner would be the one to let go. In that situation we were fucked as other clubs must have known on the grapevine that we had to sell to buy.

In an ideal world one of Wood or McPake would have gone, but we wouldn't have got anything like £750k for either of them in our situation. Plus no-one was coming in for them.

The squad is better balanced now and no weaker in terms of depth, so it has to be a good thing overall. Doesn't mean the deal doesn't leave a bitter taste though...

 

[mattylad]

maybe just maybe Thorn didn't fancy Turner and said to the club let's move him on and get the wage budget down. Although we still need to survive this season it is true that next year we will have to live within our earnings and more to the point the likes of Turner will be worth less because other non premiership clubs (except those with parachute payments) just won't be able to go out and buy everyone in site.

 

[OyJimmy]

This is not a question we should have to ask. A club of our stature in the game should be able to hold onto Turner and buy Cody.

 

[Kuklinski]

Any club that has haemorrhaged money like we have over the last 10/12 years, and continues to do so, should think itself lucky we are even bringing players in.

Where do people get this notion that we are a club of stature? We have been lucky to survive these last few years, we are living hand to mouth, yet some think we are a club of stature. It's disrespectful to clubs who have grown within their financial means and are now bigger & better than us, clubs like Brighton for example.

Breaking news, CCFC is not the top of any young, up and coming players list of destinations, despite our "stature".

 

[OyJimmy]

Well the fact that Brighton can out spend us is a damning indictment of the people who run our club. We should have the financial firepower to be competeting, year in and year out for the playoffs. The fact that we couldn't live with Brighton in the Championship screams volumes about mismanagement of this club.

Let's face it we are not in the mess we are now because SISU blew 30 million on players. We are in the mess we are now because we have been all too willing to believe statements like SISU have made a net spend on players of 30 million.....

Looking at our rate of decline we could soon be of the stature of Walsall....

 

[Glenn Storer]

Well the fact that Brighton can out spend us is a damning indictment of the people who run our club. We should have the financial firepower to be competeting, year in and year out for the playoffs. The fact that we couldn't live with Brighton in the Championship screams volumes about mismanagement of this club.

Let's face it we are not in the mess we are now because SISU blew 30 million on players. We are in the mess we are now because we have been all too willing to believe statements like SISU have made a net spend on players of 30 million.....

Looking at our rate of decline we could soon be of the stature of Walsall....

Quick question, I'm very much on the fence regarding camps and anti-sisu or whatever...but why? Why should we have the financial firepower? We've been a Championship club for 10 years. For only one of those did we mount a real challenge.

I agree that perhaps, on the face of things we should be doing better than we are financially. It's not like in other Midlands clubs, i.e. Notts and Leicester where they have either two clubs to split fans and thus gates, or Leic where they have to compete with a successful rugby team. We have a large catchment area, are the only top sport bar the Hockey.

Something obviously isn't right?