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[Astute]

Simon Gilbert yesterday said it looks like the present naming rights contract ends next year. This is something of great value. Or at least would be if our club was playing there. Could this be the main reason that our club was offered free rent for this season and only 100k the next two?

So down to values. The rights should be worth at least 1k a day without our club there. Treble it if we are. There could be a deal done at these rates. Could even be a sliding rate depending what division we are in. It is all about brand recognition. The company I work for spends a 7 figure sum each year promoting what we make where I work. And that is in this country alone. Whatever deal is struck would be income. So if ACL managed to get a deal of 0.5m without our club and 1m when our club returns they would be able to secure a loan if forced to refinance the loan which the JR is all about. This could be the reason that SISU have been holding onto the 590k for so long in hope of ACL running out of money.

ACL have invested all income into the arena and paying down the debt so far. I see there being no change in this. A 15 year deal could have the arena paid for. This should mean that a peppercorn rent is available with F+B included. It isn't what SISU want though.

Will SISU be taking all this into consideration? Will they put another bid in for Higgs where they keep to what they agree? How much would it make the Higgs share worth? Much more than the 5.5m they tried to sell it to SISU for if the info about the naming rights is correct. The higgs share and bringing our club home would be worth millions to SISU each year with a debt free stadium.

Or I suppose they could build their own stadium elsewhere.

 

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[RFC]

How do you know they were offered free rent??????????

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ RFC......If you took your head out of SISU's arse for just 1 minute, you would know your precious club owners were offered FREE RENT for 2 years, and £150k for the 3rd year.....HONESTLY...You must live in a bubble where you see only what you want to see!!!!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ RFC....Are you really a senile old twat? Or do you deliberately try to wind people up?

 

[italiahorse]

@ RFC......If you took your head out of SISU's arse for just 1 minute, you would know your precious club owners were offered FREE RENT for 2 years, and £150k for the 3rd year.....HONESTLY...You must live in a bubble where you see only what you want to see!!!!

It was offered through the FL because SISU said they had moved on. I guess they needed to register the offer that way so it could be recorded.
TF turned it down though stating that they still needed to pay match day costs ??? FFS

Also it was free rent for one year and 150K for the next 2.
On paper we would have been quids in, watched our team in Coventry, not lost 10 points and probably got promoted.

However it would have fcked up Sisu plan so we all need to suffer.

 

[Bennets Afro]

It was offered through the FL because SISU said they had moved on. I guess they needed to register the offer that way so it could be recorded.
TF turned it down though stating that they still needed to pay match day costs ??? FFS

Also it was free rent for one year and 150K for the next 2.
On paper we would have been quids in, watched our team in Coventry, not lost 10 points and probably got promoted.

However it would have fcked up Sisu plan so we all need to suffer.

So ACL rejected the CVA and we lost 10 points because the club refused a rent deal to return?? That sounds a bit spiteful

 

[The Gentleman]

So ACL rejected the CVA and we lost 10 points because the club refused a rent deal to return?? That sounds a bit spiteful

As spiteful as Sisu/Otium completely upping sticks, moving a whole football club 35 miles from it's home and thus alienating practically all of it's customers because they do not get their own way?

 

[Kingokings204]

As spiteful as Sisu/Otium completely upping sticks, moving a whole football club 35 miles from it's home and thus alienating practically all of it's customers because they do not get their own way?

Lol good point to be fair.

 

[Astute]

It was offered through the FL because SISU said they had moved on. I guess they needed to register the offer that way so it could be recorded.
TF turned it down though stating that they still needed to pay match day costs ??? FFS

Also it was free rent for one year and 150K for the next 2.
On paper we would have been quids in, watched our team in Coventry, not lost 10 points and probably got promoted.

However it would have fcked up Sisu plan so we all need to suffer.

The offer was also made through the FL after they offered to be the independent man in the middle to broker a deal. It was when the FL found out that SISU didn't take our club away from the Ricoh because they had no other choice for sure.

 

[chiefdave]

Didn't it get made through the FL after ML reckoned he hadn't heard the previous offer despite being in the room at the time it was made as he was working for a different company that day or some rubbish like that.

 

[Astute]

Didn't it get made through the FL after ML reckoned he hadn't heard the previous offer despite being in the room at the time it was made as he was working for a different company that day or some rubbish like that.

Tried to make out that ACL hadn't made them the rent free offer. The word twisting he did was because the offer came from the FL.

 

[italiahorse]

Tried to make out that ACL hadn't made them the rent free offer. The word twisting he did was because the offer came from the FL.

Didn't TF then put his translation of costs on it and made a comparison to the offer he had at Sixfields? Effectively rejecting it.

No one can offer financial justification for why we are at Sixfields.
Can one of the SISU apologists please explain the reasons why we are not at the Ricoh whilst we build a new stadium??

 

[Astute]

The rent free offer was made but CCFC would still have had to pay expenses including policing the games, utilities and all match day costs at cost price IIRC. But they tried to make out that they would still have other costs and made out that it didn't include policing costs. That is why some on here think so.

 

[covmark]

Didn't TF then put his translation of costs on it and made a comparison to the offer he had at Sixfields? Effectively rejecting it.

No one can offer financial justification for why we are at Sixfields.
Can one of the Sixfields apologists please explain the reasons why we are not at the Ricoh whilst we build a new stadium??

Can someone explain why middle aged men throw around terms such as 'sixfields apologists' and 'sixfields posse' because it's fucking embarrassing.
Grow up ffs.

 

[italiahorse]

Can someone explain why middle aged men throw around terms such as 'sixfields apologists' and 'sixfields posse' because it's fucking embarrassing.
Grow up ffs.

Sorry meant SISU apologists.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

It was offered through the FL because SISU said they had moved on. I guess they needed to register the offer that way so it could be recorded. TF turned it down though stating that they still needed to pay match day costs ??? FFS Also it was free rent for one year and 150K for the next 2. On paper we would have been quids in, watched our team in Coventry, not lost 10 points and probably got promoted. However it would have fcked up Sisu plan so we all need to suffer.

I actually meant to write it that way round lol. Thanks for the correction mate but whichever way round, I was showing what a WUM. RFC is.

 

[Grendel]

The rent free offer was made but CCFC would still have had to pay expenses including policing the games, utilities and all match day costs at cost price IIRC. But they tried to make out that they would still have other costs and made out that it didn't include policing costs. That is why some on here think so.

Can you please sxplain to me why the match day costs varied from one deal to the next?

Police costs are separate they are paid direct by the club as are stewards and St Johns

 

[chiefdave]

Can you please sxplain to me why the match day costs varied from one deal to the next?

Wouldn't you need a breakdown of exactly what was included and a cost for each item to be able to answer that? Match days costs isn't a defined thing so you'd need to know if you were comparing like with like and where the differences occur if you want to explain any variance.

 

[Grendel]

Wouldn't you need a breakdown of exactly what was included and a cost for each item to be able to answer that? Match days costs isn't a defined thing so you'd need to know if you were comparing like with like and where the differences occur if you want to explain any variance.

Why would they differ at all? Sureley match day costs are match day costs -- unless they are rent of course.

 

[italiahorse]

Why would they differ at all? Sureley match day costs are match day costs -- unless they are rent of course.

They differed because TF told you they did and you believed him. It's called 'spin'. :facepalm:
No one has seen the full breakdown of any offers.

The ACL spin on it sounds pretty good to me.

No charges for renting the stadium and CCFC just pay for staging the match at cost.
Although I have seen no details ACL said that they would supply SISU the details so they could verify.

Of course we all know why they could not accept !!!

 

[chiefdave]

Why would they differ at all? Sureley match day costs are match day costs -- unless they are rent of course.

It's quite simple, not sure why you're struggling to grasp it. Match days costs are not a pre defined group of items so unless you know what those items are in the two offers you are wishing to compare and the costing for each item how on earth can you expect anyone to explain the difference in cost?

 

[Grendel]

They differed because TF told you they did and you believed him. It's called 'spin'. :facepalm:
No one has seen the full breakdown of any offers.

The ACL spin on it sounds pretty good to me.

No charges for renting the stadium and CCFC just pay for staging the match at cost.
Although I have seen no details ACL said that they would supply SISU the details so they could verify.

Of course we all know why they could not accept !!!

No they differed on the Trust Q and A which gave a breakdown -- sorry to pour cold water on your reality

 

[Grendel]

It's quite simple, not sure why you're struggling to grasp it. Match days costs are not a pre defined group of items so unless you know what those items are in the two offers you are wishing to compare and the costing for each item how on earth can you expect anyone to explain the difference in cost?

Why would they differ at all? How would lower rent make matchday costs higher? Fixed costs are fixed costs arent they?

 

[Grendel]

They differed because TF told you they did and you believed him. It's called 'spin'. :facepalm:
No one has seen the full breakdown of any offers.

The ACL spin on it sounds pretty good to me.

No charges for renting the stadium and CCFC just pay for staging the match at cost.
Although I have seen no details ACL said that they would supply SISU the details so they could verify.

Of course we all know why they could not accept !!!

Well it would do wouln't it.

 

[chiefdave]

Why would they differ at all? How would lower rent make matchday costs higher? Fixed costs are fixed costs arent they?

That's why we need to see a cost breakdown for each offer!!! If we have that that we can see where the difference lies and then establish if it is a genuine cost or ACL taking the piss.

 

[italiahorse]

It's quite simple, not sure why you're struggling to grasp it. Match days costs are not a pre defined group of items so unless you know what those items are in the two offers you are wishing to compare and the costing for each item how on earth can you expect anyone to explain the difference in cost?

He doesn't. He is just trying to make a contribution to the argument.
He thinks he is Tim Fisher, I'm sure of it.

 

[shmmeee]

Why would they differ at all? How would lower rent make matchday costs higher? Fixed costs are fixed costs arent they?

Just a guess, as I neither know nor really care what you're on about, but surely what's included in the rent and the quality of service are areas for cost saving?

Like I can rent a flat for £600/month with council tax and electric included. Or I can rent a flat in the same area for say £500 with nothing included. Similarly, I can pay Virgin £75/month for all the channels/internet/phone, or I can pay them £10/month for less channels and slower internet.

To give a stadium example, maybe some costs like rubbish disposal were moved in/out of rent, maybe they dropped something that was previously included, or added something that wasn't.

As has been said, it depends on the details. Unless you've got a specific issue, I fail to see the point of your question.

 

[wingy]

IIRC ,last season they were referred to as matchday costs and paid @ £10K per match .

Post admin they have been called rent and offered at £12K per match .

One element appears to have increased ,could that be down to The club no longer being responsible for preparing the Pitch?

 

[Grendel]

He doesn't. He is just trying to make a contribution to the argument.
He thinks he is Tim Fisher, I'm sure of it.

What like suggestin having an AWD Land Rover experience at the Ricoh or a car showroom you mean?

 

[James Smith]

What like suggestin having an AWD Land Rover experience at the Ricoh or a car showroom you mean?

Okay slightly lost and have probably missed something but what does AWD stand for? A Wonderful/Weird/Wacky/ Day out? Is someone suggesting a Landrover theme park or ride at the Ricoh?

 

[Grendel]

Okay slightly lost and have probably missed something but what does AWD stand for? A Wonderful/Weird/Wacky/ Day? Is someone suggesting a Landrover theme park or ride at the Ricoh?

It's Italia's contribution to the debate -- All Wheel Drive!

 

[duffer]

Okay slightly lost and have probably missed something what does AWD stand for? A Wonderful/Weird/Wacky/ Day? Is someone suggesting a Landrover theme park or ride at the Ricoh?

All Wheel Drive. For Land Rovers, 4WD (4-Wheel Drive) might probably be a more traditional way of putting it. I'm not sure that anyone's seriously suggesting a Land Rover theme park at the Ricoh - but as long as the club isn't there who cares what they do to make a few bob, imho.

 

[italiahorse]

What like suggestin having an AWD Land Rover experience at the Ricoh or a car showroom you mean?

Anyone can make a stupid statement or joke on this board, safe in the knowledge that no matter what they say they will never be the biggest idiot !!

 

[italiahorse]

All Wheel Drive. For Land Rovers, 4WD (4-Wheel Drive) might probably be a more traditional way of putting it. I'm not sure that anyone's seriously suggesting a Land Rover theme park at the Ricoh - but as long as the club isn't there who cares what they do to make a few bob, imho.

It relates to Jaguar maybe renewing their interest in sponsoring the stadium if Ricoh get cold feet. But that's another thread.

 

[James Smith]

All Wheel Drive. For Land Rovers, 4WD (4-Wheel Drive) might probably be a more traditional way of putting it. I'm not sure that anyone's seriously suggesting a Land Rover theme park at the Ricoh - but as long as the club isn't there who cares what they do to make a few bob, imho.

Thank you, I was having trouble working that out. 4 wheel drive I can understand does what it says on the tin - why do they need a new name for it how many cars have more than 4 wheels?