Sturridge and other random comments (6 Viewers)

[maddog]

Just caught up on an old article about Sturridge. Said he left Villa for Coventry because Villa wanted him to play midfield. Left Coventry for Man City because Coventry were playing him two years ahead against 13 year olds when he was 11 and he was getting lumps kicked out of him. Says football not money was his motivation. Any thoughts.
In the same supplement, there was an article why Bayern are the best club in the world - best manager, best owners, great academy, great fans, great ground. Shows how seriously shit we are. Great fans is about the only one we have.
Also saw an article on Oxford who were in old Div 1 when owner who only wanted the ground took over, Outcome non-league football. Oh dear.

 

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[Gint11]

You are comparing us to Bayern Munich? That is not realistic.

 

[sw88]

No matter whet level we played him at, we'd have never kept hold of him

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

If he'd have stayed...he'd probably have turned out to be as good as David Pipe....or Lee Fowler....

 

[rightumpty]

Well maybe not Bayern but certainly Southampton, Hull, Norwich, West Brom and the like. All of whom have a similar sized city and catchment area for fans and yet we have to tolerate owners who are quite happy to see us drop deeper and deeper down the leagues just to satisfy their whim of being owners of a football club. Much much more than that but you see where I,m coming from. We should be in above Leicester and Wolves not looking on them with envy.

You are comparing us to Bayern Munich? That is not realistic.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Just caught up on an old article about Sturridge. Said he left Villa for Coventry because Villa wanted him to play midfield. Left Coventry for Man City because Coventry were playing him two years ahead against 13 year olds when he was 11 and he was getting lumps kicked out of him. Says football not money was his motivation. Any thoughts.
In the same supplement, there was an article why Bayern are the best club in the world - best manager, best owners, great academy, great fans, great ground. Shows how seriously shit we are. Great fans is about the only one we have.
Also saw an article on Oxford who were in old Div 1 when owner who only wanted the ground took over, Outcome non-league football. Oh dear.

I don't get what your point is, or how whatever your point is, relates to Bayern Munich? He left Villa as he was played out of position...fair enough. He left us to play the same age group that he wanted to?

To me that suggests there a chance that he could've been too good to play U-12s so Cov thought he'd develop better at U-14...I don't see a problem in that? Could you imagine Luke Shaw saying 'I don't want to play for the England senior side, I should be playing U21s or even U19s.

I don't disagree about us being seriously in the sh*t but not sure why you're linking it to something that happened 10 or so years ago, or even Bayern Munich??

Take a look at the YouTooooob video on another thread of our nippers scoring a goal after something like 18 passes. Our Youth Set up is something else to be proud off. Not many produce as many decent players from the lower leagues like we do. Maybe only Crewe?

Chin up man,

WM

 

[Joy Division]

Take a look at the YouTooooob video on another thread of our nippers scoring a goal after something like 18 passes. Our Youth Set up is something else to be proud off. Not many produce as many decent players from the lower leagues like we do. Maybe only Crewe?

Chin up man,

WM

The U21's finished bottom of the league with 8 points from 18 games. Not great really.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

The U21's finished bottom of the league with 8 points from 18 games. Not great really.

Two points:

* The goal I referred to is still class.

* I was talking generally, not specifically look at this season. Think Kirkland, Turner, Bigiramana, Christie, Wilson, McSheffrey, Davenport....

 

[Joy Division]

Two points:

* The goal I referred to is still class.

* I was talking generally, not specifically look at this season. Think Kirkland, Turner, Bigiramana, Christie, Wilson, McSheffrey, Davenport....

A further two points

The goal is indeed class, but still finishing bottom of the league with only two wins does not reflect greatly on the academy. I know its all about development and not results but that is a pretty poor season.

The players you mentioned are a credit to the academy yes, but talking generally that's seven players in 16 years, you think that's good? I tend to disagree. I guess time will tell whether this current crop will turn out to be any good.

 

[Evans1883]

Saying bayern have the worlds best manager is questionable , i actually thought bayern were a better side especially to watch before guardiola got there, i think in relation to sturridge , we were never going to hold onto him anyways so the blame game is silly really because as an 11year old boy , you would probably feel even more special telling somebody they can compete with players 2 years your senior .
either way hes had a great season at liverpool and i hope he does the business for england

 

[Danceswithhorses]

You are comparing us to Bayern Munich? That is not realistic.

He's comparing us with Oxford-much more realistic.

 

[mark82]

The U21's finished bottom of the league with 8 points from 18 games. Not great really.

I think the goal in question is the under 18s who didn't finish bottom of their league. Problem with our Development squad (under 21s) is they are all playing in the first team so is a mix of players who aren't quite ready or aren't good enough.

 

[Joy Division]

I think the goal in question is the under 18s who didn't finish bottom of their league. Problem with our Development squad (under 21s) is they are all playing in the first team so is a mix of players who aren't quite ready or aren't good enough.

The video on the CCFC youtube seems to suggest its the U21's but may be wrong.

 

[Nick]

He was moaning about playing against kids 2 years older? Sounds a bit whiney to be fair.

He should have tried playing Sunday League at 15 or 16.

 

[stupot07]

He was moaning about playing against kids 2 years older? Sounds a bit whiney to be fair.

He should have tried playing Sunday League at 15 or 16.

True, but in a way it implies getting results were more important than allowing him to develop at his own rate. Interesting reading about the Ajax and barca model's where results don't matter, the games are seen as an extension of training, playing players in different positions (Ajax played Bergkamp right back for 1 season when he was 15-16).

 

[Nick]

Or it could have been that he was head and shoulders above his own age group and needed a challenge

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I think the goal in question is the under 18s who didn't finish bottom of their league. Problem with our Development squad (under 21s) is they are all playing in the first team so is a mix of players who aren't quite ready or aren't good enough.

Didn't Mcgeouch play in the game? Which suggests it was an U21 fixture and not U18

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Maybe the others weren't older, but just looked older. A bit like the Napoli player who is 17 and not 41.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26162408

 

[Nick]

Reminds me of kids football and them always playing older lads as ringers.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

That was always preferable to turning up to a school game and finding out that there is a girl playing for their team. Predictably she turns out to be the best player on the pitch.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Majority of the U18's have been been playing in the U21's this year due to lack of players. Could be argued as a positive and a negative.

 

[skybluetony176]

He was moaning about playing against kids 2 years older? Sounds a bit whiney to be fair.

He should have tried playing Sunday League at 15 or 16.

Wasn't Wayne Rooney supposed to be playing in his dads Sunday league team against grown men at the age of 14?

I think you're right. He's a bit whiney.

 

[torchomatic]

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[maddog]

To some of these replies. I was just mentioning a few things I had read in an old Guardian Sports supplement. I was interested in peoples take on Sturridge's comments which I thought were valid. Pressley said he took his playing style (in the first half of the season) from Bayern. If you see what makes the best what they are, money aside, you have some chance of emulating some of their success. The ingredients are obviously missing from our club. Owners shit, ground currently shit, academy without Rioch the juries out, fans in general good, manager impossible to judge when he is constantly undermined by lack of funds. The Oxford scenario is so worrying because it seems to be so similar to our own demise. Which begs the question are SISU really looking after the interests of the club as they claim, or is the club ownership merely a means to an end.