Govt says we will be back in Cov in 2016 (1 Viewer)

[MichaelCCFC]

Government initial response to epetition is at www.FixFootball.co.uk and refers to our situation as a "temporary relocation" and we will be "returning to Coventry [no mention of 'Coventry area'] within 3 years". So keep March 2016 free cos if by then it's not been announced we start the 2016/17 season in Cov it'll be time to storm Parliament!

 

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[ccfcway]

only way we will be back in Cov by then is if SISU arent owners any more.

If they win the JR they will be after CCC for loss of earnings. If they lose, its appeal time !

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The Backbench Business Committee sounds a little Carry On!

 

[sky blue john]

This needs clarifying with the football league. Is it will be back in Coventry or Coventry area which is what we have been led to believe ?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

A welcomed response but to me it poses more questions than hope, for instance the response says:

The Football League take the matter of Coventry City returning to their home city very seriously, and have undertaken to keep the Minister informed of progress. The Club have committed to returning to Coventry within 3 years.

The Football League and the Football Club have stated it's 3 years with an additional run off period of two years, but this additional two years is not mentioned in the response and secondly the response also quotes "The Club have committed to returning to Coventry" so are we talking Canley, Tile Hill, Eastern Green, Radford or another or are we talking about the Coventry Area i.e Exhall, etc?

 

[sky blue john]

I would be very surprised if the fl have their facts wrong on an official government response ?
Is it Sisu trying to pull one over on the fl in terms of stadium location ?

 

[MichaelCCFC]

A welcomed response but to me it poses more questions than hope, for instance the response says:



The Football League and the Football Club have stated it's 3 years with an additional run off period of two years, but this additional two years is not mentioned in the response and secondly the response also quotes "The Club have committed to returning to Coventry" so are we talking Canley, Tile Hill, Eastern Green, Radford or another or are we talking about the Coventry Area i.e Exhall, etc?

Could be good questions for Cov Tel to pursue?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Coventry can be a boundary.

Coventry can be a concept.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Could be good questions for Cov Tel to pursue?

I'll ask Simon Gilbert.

 

[The Prefect]

If they win the JR they will be after CCC for loss of earnings. If they lose, its appeal time !

In my opinion there's no case to answer on this point as the rental deals offered by ACL were generous enough. The club's move sacrificed about 10,000 fans a game or approximately £2m a year in income. It will be very hard for SISU to show that ACL damaged the club any more than the owners did by moving to Sixfields...

ML's point that CCC and ACL conspired against them is weak as there's a counter argument that SISU Capital and Coventry City conspired against ACL by not paying rent.

The Football League have allowed up to 5 years - and that's how long it will take unless SISU find a way to build a temporary stadium very quickly. I don't think that's likely somehow!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

This needs clarifying with the football league. Is it will be back in Coventry or Coventry area which is what we have been led to believe ?

It will be within Coventry or the Coventry area

As ccfcway says, the only way we will be back in Cov by 2016 is if SISU leave

 

[stupot07]

Coventry can be a boundary.

Coventry can be a concept.

Very true. .


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[hill83]

I'm pleased people who can maybe do something about this are talking and giving time limits and dates for a return. But 2016 for fuck sake. Too late.

 

[Houchens Head]

Just in time before we're back in the Premier League, then? :thinking about:

 

[Grendel]

I'm pleased people who can maybe do something about this are talking and giving time limits and dates for a return. But 2016 for fuck sake. Too late.

Also, conveniently, there is the small matter of a general election before then.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I'm pleased people who can maybe do something about this are talking and giving time limits and dates for a return. But 2016 for fuck sake. Too late.

There's not a chance for 2016. What about the environmental impact assessment on the ground they don't as yet have? Even after that, assuming they do get planning permission, look at what happened to Bristol City over the Ashton Vale stadium. Planning permission in 2009, then environmental protesters get involved, giving rise to public enquiries and the like; finally - four years later - the pushed for planning permission to develop Ashton Gate; such was the hassle of the new site.

We already have a perfectly serviceable stadium within the Coventry city limits, so any new stadium - leaving a perfectly good home redundant - will attract environmental campaigners in their droves. Irrespective of who's in charge at the council.

2016? Absolutely not a chance

 

[robbieray]

We wont exist by then

 

[sky blue john]

Also, conveniently, there is the small matter of a general election before then.

What are UKIPS views on our plight ?

 

[ccfcway]

The Football League have allowed up to 5 years - and that's how long it will take

or SISU stump up a whopping £1 million !

Thats a drop in the ocean in this saga. I certainly don think 5 years is the deadline anyone is working towards

 

[Spionkop]

Coventry as a 'concept.' Norman you've surpassed yourself this time.
What utter tripe.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Coventry as a 'concept.' Norman you've surpassed yourself this time.
What utter tripe.

I didn't expect you to understand it tbh.

 

[Gint11]

A date of return would be a start. The football league really need to step in now and use the powers they have to sort this out.

 

[Spionkop]

Oh I understand your nonsense alright. You insult your fellow fans with talk of 'the concept of Coventry.'
Better take your irrelevancies to the Hegel & Wittgenstein forum.
Practicalities like our team playing in Coventry are what's important. You? You waffle on trying to impress and pontificate - try the concept of Coventry City playing in Coventry.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh I understand your nonsense alright. You insult your fellow fans with talk of 'the concept of Coventry.'

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but certain areas of councils themselves endorse the idea of a place rather than an arbitrary administrative boundary.

So as I said, not surprised you of all people struggle with such things.

 

[shmmeee]

All the more reason to put a definition on it to be honest.

I'd argue that the city of Coventry is defined by the council jurisdiction, but that's just my mental model. Several people complain that the Ricoh isn't in Coventry. It's why it's so important for us to know the location, so we can decide for ourselves whether we support it or not.

 

[fernandopartridge]

All the more reason to put a definition on it to be honest.

I'd argue that the city of Coventry is defined by the council jurisdiction, but that's just my mental model. Several people complain that the Ricoh isn't in Coventry. It's why it's so important for us to know the location, so we can decide for ourselves whether we support it or not.

Odd, I know people who live in parts of what I'd consider Coventry who live outside of council jurisdiction, I'll never look at them the same way now because they're outside of an administrative area.

 

[SimonGilbert]

This needs clarifying with the football league. Is it will be back in Coventry or Coventry area which is what we have been led to believe ?

As per my Tweets earlier, Football League today confirmed their stance on this by using the phrase "Coventry area" in a statement.

https://twitter.com/thesimongilbert/status/443823959524376582

https://twitter.com/thesimongilbert/status/443824210826108930

https://twitter.com/thesimongilbert/status/443824462798913537

https://twitter.com/thesimongilbert/status/443824714503299073




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[shmmeee]

Odd, I know people who live in parts of what I'd consider Coventry who live outside of council jurisdiction, I'll never look at them the same way now because they're outside of an administrative area.

As the post said, everyone has their own idea, no right or wrong. I was agreeing with NW (unless his aim was to convince some of what Coventry is) and saying that's why the location, if outside the boundary (which no-one can argue isn't Cov I think), is so important, because each person will have a different idea, and that can often be hard to explain. It's a "know it when you see it" problem.

So stop being a tit.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Just in time before we're back in the Premier League, then? :thinking about:

has it been sunny again in the IOW Houch?... get in the shade your delusional..

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I was agreeing with NW

Careful, we'll be having a matey joke before you know it

(unless his aim was to convince some of what Coventry is)

No it wasn't.

But pointing at a map and telling me that's Coventry feels very uncomfortable to me when, well... what actually is Coventry according to the maps changes during the lifetime of people I've known!

 

[shmmeee]

Careful, we'll be having a matey joke before you know it



No it wasn't.

But pointing at a map and telling me that's Coventry feels very uncomfortable to me when, well... what actually is Coventry according to the maps changes during the lifetime of people I've known!

Agreed. You can only state what is true for you.

(by the way, this is true of all concepts, from trees, success and cabbage to Coventry. The map is not the territory.)

To be fair, amongst all the bluster, there's no other real phrase than "Coventry area" anyone can use for that reason. But also, it's why Sisu should be clearer exactly what they mean. Unless of course they're well aware of the FUD it will cause and don't really want fan support for a stadium.

GTG tin foil slipping.

 

[Jack Griffin]

What is "in the Coventry Area"?

 

[Astute]

Ah the old 'Coventry area' debate again.

IIRC the FOI search confirmed that there was no two councils that were in talks with SISU like they told us. So they expanded it to 7 miles. This to me means it won't be within 3 miles. And this is as the crow flies. 7 miles as the crow flies takes you to Solihull IIRC. Or was it just to buy more time? They had months to kill from starting the JR to the hearing. Months of trying to stop the hard questions. Months of stuttering during interviews and wrong information.

No matter what they say and have said in the past they want the Ricoh and want it cheap. This is the only easy way of making money for their investors. Not exactly been easy though. And they want all contracts and Higgs paying off. Then they want to pay less than this would cost. So it would cost CCC a fortune to sell to them. So what they have done is ignore us fans and the stability of our club to have no club playing at the Ricoh and then are pushing for independent valuations for a football stadium without a club playing there. But most of us know this.

So what part of the 'in the Coventry area' debate does all this come under? It is just a ruse to cover them until the JR. And to cause as many arguments and discussions as they can until then. Throw as many insults and allegations until then. Try to take the spotlight off themselves until then. Try to put pressure on CCC until then. But CCC are not rising to the bait.

I wish we could just have the JR now and get it over with so we could get on with the appeals But at least we will see what the truth is. See who has been telling the most lies. See who has broken the law if anyone. Let them kiss and make up and get us the f*ck out of Northampton.

 

[oldskyblue58]

So CCFC have 3 years (plus a possible 2 further years) to bring us back to the "Coventry area"

I assume the clock started running 8th July 2013 when permission to play at sixfields was granted.

So far we have expended 9mths

Apparently it will still be several months before the land is acquired say start of July 4mths

There are according to CBRE then 6 months to put a planning application together that takes us to January 2015 to submit the planning application

Planning hearings, objections, referrals to secretary of state etc etc could take a minimum of 12 months (many of these large scale projects take far longer) so that takes us to January 2016 at least in my mind

Build time we are told could be brought down to around 12 months (if all goes well) - I think that's a bit optimistic personally but I am not a construction expert - but it takes us to January 2017 at best in my opinion

I guess my question is do the FL, the government etc actually look at what is being said by the people running the proposed project and tie it in with the things they know about how long the processes involved are likely to take?

I make that a minimum of 43 mths by the way

 

[The Gentleman]

So CCFC have 3 years (plus a possible 2 further years) to bring us back to the "Coventry area"

I assume the clock started running 8th July 2013 when permission was granted.

So far we have expended 9mths

Apparently it will still be several months before the land is acquired say end of start of July 4mths

There are according to CBRE 6 months to put a planning application together that takes us to January 2015 to submit the planning application

Planning hearings, objections, referrals to secretary of state etc etc could take a minimum of 12 months (many of these large scale projects take far longer) so that takes us to January 2016

Build time we are told could be brought down to around 12 months (if all goes well) - I think that's a bit optimistic personally but I am not a construction expert - but it takes us to January 2017 at best in my opinion

I guess my question is do the FL, the government etc actually look at what is being said by the people running the proposed project and tie it in with the things they know about how long the processes involved are likely to take?

I make that a minimum of 43 mths by the way

To be honest OSB58, this disney saga called 'The New Stadium' will be that the planning with objections and appeals will take us to at least 2017 and possibly further if other recent planning applications and local resident actions are anything to go by, with the build taking at least 18 months I would say with the infrastructure needed for a new stadium possibly stretching to 24 months with what would be needed. That takes us to 2019.