The negativity is palpable on here! (1 Viewer)
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Grendel
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That's not true at all.
We're actually 6 points off relegation
Would be 16 without ACL wankers.
skybluefred
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Nothing to do with ACL--It's the morons that did not pay the rent you should blame.
stupot07
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What in our first season following relegation? The other seasons were rhetoric and spin....like operation premiership. Mickey Adams had one or two interesting things to say about that earlier on this season....
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Grendel
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No it isn't - but your obviously easily fooled by the council spin machine. Its fans like you that have helped create the situation with your lazy ill informed attitude.
Why insist on consistent views when the situation is too complex for that to be possible, I think most of us have conflicting views, for some they only conflict a little and these people will go to sixfields, for others their views conflict alot.
I think we all want Coventry city to get promoted, none of us want Coventry city to get relegated, we all want coventry city to succeed. yet alot of us also want the move to sixfields to be a disaster, alot of us want terrible crowds at sixfields, to not have games against premiership opposition in the cup, we want the company that has deliberately hurt the fans and the club for their own benefit to fail and to suffer, unfortunately these views conflict heavily, we also feel for the club to succeed in the long run it might need to suffer in the short term to get rid of sisu., it's not really possible these views postive and negative to happen at once and honestly for me at least it kinda spoils the football completely and so for the most part I've just written off this season in my head, I check results but don't go to games.
Good things and bad things both cause me conflicting emotions regarding the club at the moment, there is another thread on what it would take to get you engaged again and for me thats it, I want my club to be the good guys again, I want to not have conflicting emotions, I want owners who I feel have the clubs best interests at heart and whom I can feel good getting behind.
Not really , but I think I can see what your clutching at .
Young players were brought in ,some times , with no other options probably to keep the wage bill down.
Even with the 10 points we would struggle to get in the play offs for the third division. Hardly fantastic
.One of the reasons we scored so many goals has been sold and not replaced.
I am one of the traveling fans . I'll be at Tranmere on Saturday but if nothing changes b4 next season starts I'll call it a day . Every thing was bearable til they pulled out of the Ricoh , that's when us " magnificent "fans were shit on
RoboCCFC90
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Young players were brought in ,some times , with no other options probably to keep the wage bill down." So players like Thomas, Willis, Christie, Wilson and so on have no potential whatsoever there just playing to keep the bills down?
I disagree with the ten point deduction I believe it's one of the reasons we lost Leon Clarke, there would have been more motivation for the players to reach the Play-Offs currently being 12 points off the players know it's probably out of their reach.
So will I, but I posted a picture earlier on the other thread, loyalty is everything and fans should stand by the Club. I don't understand how some fans "will call it a day" until when? When we return to the Ricoh? For Good? Until success is achieved like the missing 15,000 after the JPT Area Final Fixture??
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"No potential whatsoever" ? Where did that one come from ?
Leon left because of the lost ten points ?
15000 no shows after a glory game , that's football I'm afraid.
Aren't you being a tad negative
Have a few pints at Tranmere . Things will look a lot better
RoboCCFC90
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According to yourself Buster you said young players were brought in to keep the wage down, so it's question do these players have potential?
I am not going to say it was the main reason but it was probably a contributing factor knowing that he could leave for a Club which could fight for promotion.
Negative? The says the poster who asked Pax to find him one thing to be positive, which then I gave you three and shot them all down!
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Paxman II
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...That's my point. You can't have it both ways. wanting the club to fail yet at the same time want your club to get promoted? Come on make sense of the situation and take a stand one way or the other. Simples.
For me I back the club whoever own them at any specific time. I certainly do not want them to fail or get worse than where we are already.
You can't change how you feel, you can just decide how you act on those feelings, I have taken a stand, I've chosen that despite the fact I want the club to do well that it's more important that sisu suffer and so I'm boycotting sixfields, not giving sisu another penny untill they leave. I don't see why its wrong that I feel conflicted about this though?
letsallsingtogether
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:slap:ointlaugh: lazy ill informed there you go again.
So Sisu have had no input in what has happened to our club?
Seems very strange that a landlord runs a business for the owners?
ointlaugh: lazy ill informed there you go again.So Sisu have had no input in what has happened to our club?
Seems very strange that a landlord runs a business for the owners?
italiahorse
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So when I don't pay what I owe it's the person I owe money too that is at fault :thinking about:
Just at the checkout at Tescos and the girl at the till has no idea where she went wrong :facepalm:
RoboCCFC90
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Sky Blue Pete
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Pax man. So when the club leave Coventry for good you will still support the club? What's your line, mine is taking the club out of Coventry, yours?
dongonzalos
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You are mistaken most on here would love nothing more than SISU to succeed in making the club a success.
Most are not wishing that they fail they are merely pointing out that they have already and currently are massively failing.
There is a big difference
Paxman II
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I'm not convinced most on here wish SISU to succeed at all? The hatred for our owners is indeed palpable on here and many wish them ill. If I'm not mistaken this means the club ill at the same time. You simply can't cherry pick to suit your conscience.
Simply stating you won't support the club while SISU are the owners may well mean you won't have a club to support if you maintain that stance for too long.
I despise SISU and their running of our club as much as the next fan but I won't buckle and dismiss my clubs very survival because of my vitriol towards them.
If there were protest organised against the Council or ACL I would attend them if it helped my club.
bigfatronssba
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Some of us see sisu ownership as the biggest threat to the clubs survival.
They really aren't these astute business people that some claim them to be. In reality they don't have a clue what their doing. I don't think I've ever come across a more incompetent organisation as sisu.
Your tone suggests many of us just woke up one morning and decided to suddenly start hating sisu, is it not clear that we hate them because of their record?
Sky Blue Pete
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What's your line paxman? Fisher is now using the move to Northampton to prove to fans he is a man of his word, does that not piss you off? What is the line that would mean your support for 'the club' under these clowns would have to cease
Sky Blue Harry H
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My feelings towards our owners is purely based around the fact that they're playing a long term business strategy with our football club and don't give a tinkers' about the supporters (despite the occasional 'we feel your pain' comment, and the laughable - 'we'd welcome an investigation' comments around the epetition - when they know that the powers that be are impotent/unwilling to take them on). In the meantime, the team suffers, the supporters suffer and our frusttration is that - despite our depth of feelings, we are unclear as to how best to shift them. I'll do anything (legal) to help in that process, but until such time, I'm hoping the days/weeks/months pass and I/we can look back and think 'thank **** that is is all over':thinking about:
:thinking about:dongonzalos
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I can't agree with that.
99.9 % of Cov fans would be happy with SISU if they behaved in a manner suggesting they genuinely cared about the future if CCFC.
Unfortunately the majority of what they do suggests the football side of things and the fans play the poor relation to another agenda.
I think even now those who used laud in and and support SISU's tactics over past seasons have come to realise this was a mistake and no longer applaud their actions
Nick
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I can't remember ever seeing anybody ever apologise for SISU on here or say they are correct in what they have done? (Unless it was a WUM).
I am surprised they have given up and moved us back with you and Italiahorse coming on here daily and posting the same stuff over and over again about giving up and not supporting us any more and threatening them on here.
An apologist isn't someone who appologises for someone else, they are someone who argue a defence for something, normally something controversial, I absolutely think the term has some validity in many cases on here though I don't feel it's helpful to use it. An example would be people who talk in defence of sisus plan to build a new stadium because the club needs the food and beverage revenue to be viable there are lots of examples to be honest.
I don't think there is much outright defence of sisu but a hell of alot of defence of their actions, due to the rent being too high, or us not getting certain revenues etc etc and there are certainly still people who may believe sisu havn't acted quite as they should have but believe what they are doing is for the best interests of the club in the long term.
RoboCCFC90
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So because I disgree with your view I am an apologist for an organisation I dislike? What a clever though process you must have.
skybluelee
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It's all relative, I suppose. Our average is propped up by our one genuinely huge turn-out at MK Dons. Now the season is going down the pan we'll struggle to take 1,000 anywhere. How many are going tomorrow? It certainly won't be 'huge'.
RoboCCFC90
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That's a good question and truth be told I don't know, me and about 20 others I know are, that's all I do know at the moment.
To say that we have taken "one genuinely huge turn-out at MK Dons" wouldn't be right we took 3,000 to Wolves, 3,000 to Walsall but probably would have taken more had there been an extra allocation, 3,800+ to Notts County, we sold out Shrewsbury and took 3,000 to Port Vale as well, yes we are going to have lower crowds during Midweek fixtures like Bristol City (where do we tend to take a good number usually) and Leyton Orient, but I still expect big followings to come this season at Sheffield United, Posh and Brentford.
Senior Vick from Alicante
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The comment at the start of the thread is in my opinion is nearly right, I would change the word negative to apathetic. People get negative from the constant shit slinging from both sides of the debate whether its Sisu/ACL or sixfielders/NOPM. We are constantly fed drivel and no one will put their head above the parapet and give the fans a straight no bullshit answer. The reason I use the word apathetic is that with all the constant bullshit people get ground down and bored of it, god knows what is being told to SP and his staff. The players just want to get away from the charade at the first sniff of a stable club showing any sign of interest that leaves us with the kids, SP has worked miracles this year but how long can it last with nothing to draw and hold talented players? The fans as always are at the bottom of the shit filter in the big picture, being taken advantage of through their loyalty by both unscrupulous owners and an out of date old boys club not fit to run any league whether it be the FA or the Football League. So you can only take so much for so long, that's when apathy creeps in, how many people will really return to the Ricoh after an extended stay at Sixfields? NPOM
I think the negativity is better than apathy to be honest, I know people might hate hearing the (completely deserved) moaning but once we all start being apathetic then the club is really in trouble. At the moment you can get a large percentage of people back by coming back to Coventry and the vast majority by coming back with new owners. Once people start to move on with their lives more and have new Saturday rituals then it gets really hard to win people back. I had a season ticket for about 5 years at the Rugby, once I stopped going I've never even been back for a single game and the same applies with the Blaze, I had a season ticket for 4 years and once I stoped going I've not been back for a single game.
Coventry City has always been my main love sports wise though so that habit dies alot harder.
Coventry City has always been my main love sports wise though so that habit dies alot harder.
GaryPendrysEyes
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...and now for the reality...
The truth is Sisu came to a Championship club with gates of 15k+ and a lot of goodwill and positive energy. Some modest improvements on and off the pitch could have seen us survive relegation, and then gradually build gates and other revenues. They could have built some positive momentum on and off the pitch and developed the club and business towards our potential especially over 6 years. That's what a successful business does. It wasnt impossible. It wasnt inevitable we slumped further.
Instead Sisu led us as a business owner over 6 years to the lowest point in our history. No apologies, they have been terrible..