SISU and transfer betting (8 Viewers)

[SydneySkyBlue]

Fascinating article from the other forum.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...62-in-run-around-players-on-transfer-bet.html

Could SISU have been involved in this with Ranson prior to their falling out?

 

---

[CovFan]

Wasn't there something involving us and Cardiff along these lines?

 

[lordsummerisle]

No, Ranson and Cardiff, before he "resigned".

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/mar/31/ray-ranson-cardiff-city

 

[gally9]

Wouldnt surprise me...

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Isnt this something similar to what happened when 'we' bought and sold robbie keane ?
The £5m profit wasnt the clubs, but belonged to the people who actually bought him...always believed GR was involved ?

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

I'm certain SISU have their grubby fingers in lots of dirty little pies

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Isnt this something similar to what happened when 'we' bought and sold robbie keane ?
The £5m profit wasnt the clubs, but belonged to the people who actually bought him...always believed GR was involved ?

First thing I thought of.

Tells you how long this has been going on!

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Isnt this something similar to what happened when 'we' bought and sold robbie keane ?
The £5m profit wasnt the clubs, but belonged to the people who actually bought him...always believed GR was involved ?

First thing I thought of.

Tells you how long this has been going on!

Yeah, it probably wasn't referred to as Transfer betting back then but same idea.

 

[lordsummerisle]

But Ray Ranson really cared about the club, and it's all because of evil Sisu(who he knew nothing about, having total ignorance of hedge-funds apart from his own) that his plan all fell apart.

 

[fernandopartridge]

But Ray Ranson really cared about the club, and it's all because of evil Sisu(who he knew nothing about, having total ignorance of hedge-funds apart from his own) that his plan all fell apart.

Indeed. He would NEVER EVER use the club as a cash cow to line his own pockets. He wouldn't award himself a pay rise in the context of the playing budget reducing.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

But Ray Ranson really cared about the club, and it's all because of evil Sisu(who he knew nothing about, having total ignorance of hedge-funds apart from his own) that his plan all fell apart.

I see nothing in the article which indicates he didn't care about on the pitch matters. They were rendering his job as Chairman redundant.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I see nothing in the article which indicates he didn't care about on the pitch matters. They were rendering his job as Chairman redundant.

Absolutely fucking pathetic.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Indeed. He would NEVER EVER use the club as a cash cow to line his own pockets. He wouldn't award himself a pay rise in the context of the playing budget reducing.

Nor would he make an artificial "loan" to the club in order to take out huge amounts in interest payments.

You'd have to be a right dodgy bastard to do that, and Ray is above reproach.

He really cared and he had a plan, damn those Sisu, and investigative journalists from the Guardian.

Hooray for the Football League in their consistency in not checking too deeply into anybody connected to the club.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Absolutely fucking pathetic.

Point me to it then...

 

[lordsummerisle]

I see nothing in the article which indicates he didn't care about on the pitch matters. They were rendering his job as Chairman redundant.

People get accused of being apologists on here by you?

For fucks sake.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Point me to it then...

Read your own post back.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

People get accused of being apologists on here by you?

For fucks sake.

Your just bitter that none of your google sources back up your hate-filled conjecture.

SISU's wrongdoings are there for all to see whereas all you've got is evidence that Ranson is good at lining his pockets!

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Read your own post back.

What am I meant to be discovering here? That Ranson once worked with SISU, then he didn't?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

What you both need to understand is that I couldn't give a shit how or why Ranson does what he does or how much money he makes.

All I care about is the product on the pitch. It was SISU that disregarded that, not Ranson.

 

[Grappa]

What you both need to understand is that I couldn't give a shit how or why Ranson does what he does or how much money he makes.

All I care about is the product on the pitch. It was SISU that disregarded that, not Ranson.

The product on the pitch is looking pretty good right now. Do you want a lift to Northampton?

 

[fernandopartridge]

What you both need to understand is that I couldn't give a shit how or why Ranson does what he does or how much money he makes.

All I care about is the product on the pitch. It was SISU that disregarded that, not Ranson.

Yes - thank fuck for Ranson, if it wasn't for him SISU might have sacked Coleman.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Richardson is an old problem-it's in the past, and we can't do anything about it.
Robinson is an old problem-it's in the past, and we can't do anything about it.
Ranson is an old problem-it's in the past, and we can't do anything about it.
As far as club owners and MDs go, SISU are the current problem, and we can do something about it.
Some supporters have the view that NOPM won't affect SISU ie the costs have all been budgeted for and will be fully funded by SISU - that being the case, i'm sure they wont mind if we just carry on with NOPM, as it's the only power he have.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Your just bitter that none of your google sources back up your hate-filled conjecture.

SISU's wrongdoings are there for all to see whereas all you've got is evidence that Ranson is good at lining his pockets!

They do back up that he was loaning money to other clubs to buy players whilst he was Chairman of our club, a huge conflict of interest, he "resigned" pretty soon after after it was revealed.

I know you don't like facts from Google, or indeed any sort of research into prospective owners, which is why, when I and others posted research on Sisu you ignored it because it wouldn't fit your argument.

I seem to remember you wouldn't even let anybody call them a hedgefund for years.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Yes - thank fuck for Ranson, if it wasn't for him SISU might have sacked Coleman.

If it wasn't for him we might never have appointed the useless twat.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

They do back up that he was loaning money to other clubs to buy players whilst he was Chairman of our club, a huge conflict of interest, he "resigned" pretty soon after after it was revealed.

I know you don't like facts from Google, or indeed any sort of research into prospective owners, which is why, when I and others posted research on Sisu you ignored it because it wouldn't fit your argument.

I seem to remember you wouldn't even let anybody call them a hedgefund for years.

Ranson's alleged dealings with Cardiff would indeed have been a conflict of interest - there's no denying that.

To go from that to accusing him of not caring about the club's future success is a bit far fetched though.

My 'argument' has always been in relation to the product on the pitch - you know this but prefer to ignore it to suit your argument.

I had no problem with the way the club was being run up until the 'build a good young squad on the cheap' philosophy was changed to 'dismantle the squad and recoup the money' then 'distress the arena company so we can get what we really wanted'.

For the last time, SISU is not a hedge fund.

It is a venture capitalist or hedge fund SPONSOR.

Next time you research a company remember to read the first paragraph. It's usually key.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Ranson's alleged dealings with Cardiff would indeed have been a conflict of interest - there's no denying that.

To go from that to accusing him of not caring about the club's future success is a bit far fetched though.

My 'argument' has always been in relation to the product on the pitch - you know this but prefer to ignore it to suit your argument.

I had no problem with the way the club was being run up until the 'build a good young squad on the cheap' philosophy was changed to 'dismantle the squad and recoup the money' then 'distress the arena company so we can get what we really wanted'.

For the last time, SISU is not a hedge fund.

It is a venture capitalist or hedge fund SPONSOR.

Next time you research a company remember to read the first paragraph. It's usually key.

The product on the pitch was never very good though was it?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

The product on the pitch was never very good though was it?

If you can't see that we had a better squad 4 years ago then I can't help you.

Or are you saying that Westwood, Gunnarsson and Fox are League 1 standard players?

 

[fernandopartridge]

If you can't see that we had a better squad 4 years ago then I can't help you.

Or are you saying that Westwood, Gunnarsson and Fox are League 1 standard players?

Yes - even with those ingredients, the end product was still particularly mediocre. Why is that?

 

[stupot07]

Yes - even with those ingredients, the end product was still particularly mediocre. Why is that?

Coleman was shit.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Yes - even with those ingredients, the end product was still particularly mediocre. Why is that?

Repeatedly telling me that the performances were shit isn't going to convince me that Ranson is a crook.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Repeatedly telling me that the performances were shit isn't going to convince me that Ranson is a crook.

You are one mixed up individual

What you both need to understand is that I couldn't give a shit how or why Ranson does what he does or how much money he makes.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

You are one mixed up individual

Point being that Ranson was not disregarding the club's future like SISU - hence their fallout.

Using the performances of the team to justify such an opinion is laughable.

 

[ESB]

Yes - even with those ingredients, the end product was still particularly mediocre. Why is that?

Think the term your searching for is woefully underperforming

 

[ESB]

Point being that Ranson was not disregarding the future of the club as Chairman in the way that SISU were - hence their fallout.

Using the performances of the team to justify such an opinion is laughable.

Give it up, states clearly he's being doing it for 17 yrs, which indicates he was hugely conflicted duting his time with us. Wonder if Fox and Dann were part of the scheme?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Give it up, states clearly he's being doing it for 17 yrs, which indicates he was hugely conflicted duting his time with us. Wonder if Fox and Dann were part of the scheme?

In the case involving Cardiff, yes I'd agree; but I'm not sure being involved in transfer dealings in different parts of the world would be consitute a conflict of interest.

Again though, you're missing the point.

Ranson was not the one who dismanted our squad, that was SISU.