Ray ranson (3 Viewers)
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I'm not so sure he can be blamed, he was conned along with Chris Coleman.
The fans and supporters, He thought, the intentions of the buy out was to carry the"Sky Blues" Back to the big time, and not to drive them to extinction
by a callous and vindictive bunch of money manipulators ....Southampton, you had a lucky escape my friends.
Sky Blue Pete
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Took 1.3m salary in 3 years!!
"I wonder if he ever got payed"?
skybluericoh
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And that makes him bad? That will be the going rate. His vision was to develop talent sell on and reinvest, SISU changed the game plan to sell and take the cash, he could take no more and left. Walked away from the big salary. I didn't like all he did but I think he was sold almost as big a pup as us. Made money out of it, but that is what football is these days in 90+% of cases, a means for people to get cash from the ordinary man.
lordsummerisle
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Plus huge interest on a "loan" to the club, and managed to lend £3million through his own Cayman Based Hedge Fund to Cardiff to buy players whilst being our Chairman.
Touted Sisu around for three years before finally managing to "rescue" us after failing with Man City, Aston Villa and Southampton.
Anybody who thinks he didn't know what Sisu were like, or how hedge funds behave must obviously think he's a brain-dead idiot, so obviously not suitable even if you believe the "innocent" Ray line.
Sky Blue Pete
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Bad? Good? Dunno. Received significant pay for doing a shocking job
Sky blue north east
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1.3 million shitsu dont pay that kind money out acl can vouch for that....
Diehard Si
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He had the right idea. Unfortunately Sisu behind him lost their nerve. Cue big fall out and him going.
That's how I see it anyway.
That's how I see it anyway.
lordsummerisle
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His "plan"(if he really had one other than to trouser a load of money out of the club, which worked well admittedly) was scuppered the moment he appointed that useless twat Coelman.
speedie87
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Can't agree take his decisions with managers for example.
Sack dowie who was doing ok appoint Coleman
Stick with Coleman for far to long, appoint bothroyd...... Sack appoint thorn!
Sky Blue Kid
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Ray Ranson was conned along with the rest of us. I think he truly believed SISU would follow his plan of getting us back to the premier league.
As soon as they sold Dann and Fox he realised they had no intention of backing the team financially. He ran out of trust with them and got out while he could, I don't blame him in the least.....Well said TankTop.
As soon as they sold Dann and Fox he realised they had no intention of backing the team financially. He ran out of trust with them and got out while he could, I don't blame him in the least.....Well said TankTop.
SydneySkyBlue
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That's how I see it too.
To say he and SISU agreed on everything would be to ignore the fact he and Hoffman resigned over their actions. Illogical nonsense.
The fact he made a nice little earning for himself is irrelevant when laying the blame for our demise.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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SISU are responsible for all of this.
lordsummerisle
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Load of bollocks, an excuse used by the Sisu apologists to try and make out that they weren't wrong in the first place.
That twat was hand-in-glove with them and knows exactly what they were, and are, about.
Everybody seemed to love the "Ruthless Ray and hard-headed Hedge-fund2 crap, but now it's all "poor, innocent Ray"?
Twat of the first order.
lordsummerisle
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Ranson is responsible for SISU being here.
Grendel
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Well they paid that much for Eastwood and another £2.5 million in wages just for him. Ray "the football man" ranson had him as the flagship signing.
Grendel
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What dross you write. Remind me where did we finish in season one with this plan?
Grendel
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He financially mismanaged the club. Wages escalated and the league position plummeted.
Your heads so up his backside you can never see the truth about old debt free can you.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Many people and factors are responsible for SISU being here, but I would agree that Ranson is one of the major ones.
To then say that that makes him responsible for all of SISU's actions - years after he left - is frankly a bit silly.
SISU are responsible for all of this.
lordsummerisle
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To say that he has had no responsibility for any of their actions in the past that have, as some predicted, led us to this point, and was some sort of innocent lamb led astray by wolves is also, frankly, a bit silly.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Try reading the post again Lord.
I agreed that he had a major tole in getting SISU in. I'm afraid that in the real world that does not make him responsible for their every action forever.
Was he involved in the disastrous attempt at negotiating with ACL, has he been fronting discussions with Northampton etc etc ?
SiSU are responsible for all of this.
Grendel
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Precisely and he was incompetent. He sold Adebole sneering at his lack of goals and then spent 5 times as much on Eastwood. Coleman as a manager was a disaster who stifled a free scoring team into a negative mediocre outfit.
Look at the number of centre halves signed and loaned to replace ward - all of which were worse than ward.
His plan was to buy cheap and sell. Dann and fox were the only ones in his plan that worked. The others remained on contract or were not good enough anyway.
Remember Hussey was better than fox anyway.
Grendel
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Maybe but people on here are claiming we would be in the premiership now under ranson. That's rubbish.
lordsummerisle
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an awful lot of people seem to think that the reasons for the problems with ACL stem from not renogiating the terms when they had the chance on takeover.
Remind me again who was the Chairman?
Fisher is (rightly) demonised for lying an awful lot of the time(which is why i was shocked that it seems he was actually telling the truth about playing in another stadium).
Ranson told as many, if not more, porkies in his time that he was here, though there seems to be selectivity about what he lied about from some.
Obviously all down to Sisu Tommy, no doubt about it, but it's disingenous as many have done to let off Ranson "Scot free" .
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Ranson's famous "we are debt free" comments were silly at best. I was never sure of the point of them.
Told as many porkies as Fisher - Not sure that many people in the world could claim that
I agree that Ranson should have negotiated early on the rent, but can't agree that that somehow forced SISU down their current path. An error several years ago does not and cannot excuse their dismal performance.
Re your final comment, I agree, but we are now at a time where all our efforts must be directed at saving our club from SISU. Now is not the time to indulge ourselves with arguments about the past. Bluntly - we need to get the b@stards out!
SISU are responsible for all of this. (I just enjoy typing that now
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lordsummerisle
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Ranson's famous "we are debt free" comments were silly at best. I was never sure of the point of them.
Told as many porkies as Fisher - Not sure that many people in the world could claim that
Bluntly - we need to get the b@stards out!
SISU are responsible for all of this. (I just enjoy typing that now
With the first one, I may have to dig out all of Ray's porkies, but fear it may go into many pages!
The sad thing is i don't think that we can get Sisu out, no matter what we do.
Once they're in, they're in, and will only leave when it suits them, it can't have passed anybody by that they don't exactly care what fans think.
I remember Captain Mainwaring over on GMK, think just before Sisu took over, posting about how Sisu had operated with a French firm that they took over, (including battles with the local council!), until eventual liquidation.
Can't say that French workers not particularly militant when badly done by, but to no avail.
They should never have had the foot in the door in the first place, and an awful lot of people take the blame for that.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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I don't think that we can be defeatist.
We know their track record (in no small part due to your efforts), but I think that our main hope is that football clubs "are different".
Despite us now being a third division club, there is gradually a bit of media awareness starting to grow about our plight and the potential ramifications for other clubs if SISU are left unchecked. I think that there is the potential to put SISU into a position that they have never experienced before (even with French unions!). How about getting the "secretive Joy Seppala" in front of a Commons Committee? How about getting questions raised about her fitness for her role on the Takeover Panel? Given the current political climate, how about some focus on SISU's tax position?
How about we make their position as uncomfortable as possible, until they decide that the pain isn't worth it?
lordsummerisle
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All very good ideas Tommy, and you're right football is different(would never in a million years look at running a football club if I had the money myself), but still think that they will see things through to their end plan, may even, with such campaigns as NOPM, give them spurious justification for liquidation?
skybluehugh
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Fully agree. I think he thought he would have much more power to run the club but as you and others have said his backers bottled it and took that power away. I also think that before that happened he was doing a good job. I await the avalanche
Grendel
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Where did we finish in his first season?
skybluehugh
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I also agree with this, who can't, but still think he was suckered like most of the fans