Football Hooliganism (2 Viewers)

[RoboCCFC90]

Obviously in the 1970's & 1980's this was a huge thing, but after Sunday's Tyne-Wear derby, Saturday's FA Cup Semi-Final and with a increase in idiotic Football fans (Not all Football fans), could the 70' & 80's be revisited?

 

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[Nick]

I think the technology is way too advanced. Every newish ground is camera'd right up so everything is caught on camera.

Look at the guy who nicked the copper's hat and then tried to hide amongst the crowd.

If you whack somebody at a football ground isn't it a lot harsher punishment than if you did in a night club because of hooliganism too?

I do find the old school hooliganism interesting though. (puts the stone island jacket on and swaggers up and down)

 

[skybluebeduff]

To sum it up: Yes!

With Man Utd and other big clubs growing everyday with their fan base's, the smaller clubs fans seem to be finally getting pissed off, and with the youth of today, expect the worst..

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I think the technology is way too advanced. Every newish ground is camera'd right up so everything is caught on camera.

Look at the guy who nicked the copper's hat and then tried to hide amongst the crowd.

If you whack somebody at a football ground isn't it a lot harsher punishment than if you did in a night club because of hooliganism too?

I do find the old school hooliganism interesting though. (puts the stone island jacket on and swaggers up and down)

I completely agree with all your post Nick, but if technology is so advanced than why didn't Saturday's vioclence at Wembley be sorted when it could of been not before the inevitable happened?

I have been to a lot of grounds this season and in the past, but in terms of this season I think the Stewarding has been slightly poor. When I spoke to a steward at the Ricoh recently regarding a scenario of a Situation that was to happen that day between Block 14 & 15 and the Swindon travelling fans and how they would deal with it, the stewards response was "We'd get it under control" and I don't doubt they're skills but when you have eight stewards between each sets of fans, unfortunately "We'd get it under control" isn't filling me with faith if something was to kick off..

 

[RoboCCFC90]

To sum it up: Yes!

With Man Utd and other big clubs growing everyday with their fan base's, the smaller clubs fans seem to be finally getting pissed off, and with the youth of today, expect the worst..

I wanted to highlight today's youth, but it is a minority not the majority and most youngsters I see at the Ricoh are well behaved, but it only takes a few to get something started, I do agree with you though SBB I think we could go back to those day's, what actions are really in place nowadays to stop these issues inside grounds? More policing? Doesn't mean that will resolve things!

 

[Nick]

I completely agree with all your post Nick, but if technology is so advanced than why didn't Saturday's vioclence at Wembley be sorted when it could of been not before the inevitable happened?

I haven't seen much of it so can't comment, but the pitch invader at the ricoh against crewe is a good example. It took the players to grab him before the people in orange actually did anything before he got to the pitch it wouldn't have happened.

I think it was Doncaster last year too when we got relegated, people were running on the pitch and the people in orange just stood there. One fella ran from block 15 to the telegraph stand and got back into the stand without being tackled.

Bad stewarding didn't help in our cases and I don't think health and safety laws are helping much, why shouldn't the police give you a whack if you are being a cock?

 

[LastGarrison]

You are absolutely deluded if you think that hooliganism will ever return to what it was like in the 70's and 80's.

The fact that these two incidents have been highlighted so much when they would not have even raised an eye brow back then tells you exactly what you need to know about FV in this day and age.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I haven't seen much of it so can't comment, but the pitch invader at the ricoh against crewe is a good example. It took the players to grab him before the people in orange actually did anything before he got to the pitch it wouldn't have happened.

I think it was Doncaster last year too when we got relegated, people were running on the pitch and the people in orange just stood there. One fella ran from block 15 to the telegraph stand and got back into the stand without being tackled.

Bad stewarding didn't help in our cases and I don't think health and safety laws are helping much, why shouldn't the police give you a whack if you are being a cock?

That's a great example! The thing is he could of easily whacked a player and it took Christie and Baker to stop him! If it had been a majority instead of a minority like in the olden day's then this would have been hugely problomatic, because as you highlighted Nick, it took the Stewards almost an hour to react..

What about the game at Arsenal in the Capital One, Okay there was two blokes and the Orange men did try to catch them, but should fans be allowed to get that far in the first place? What amazes me about that particular scenario at the Emirates was both idiots came from the same blocks of the ground and the stewards didn't react quick enough to it!

No I totally agree with that, but how long before the people behind this realise that it's better to travel in a group than on your own if you can take the Fuzz on!?

 

[pusbccfc]

I don't think it will become anything like the olden days.

The reason is; the punishments are far heavier than before. Getting into a fight at football will result in a 3 year ban from all stadiums, following England, and town centres on match days.
This are handed out so easily these days that violence rarely occurs now.

This added with the CCTV and TV cameras catching everything this days.

You'll always get the odd incidents as there's large male groups, wherever you are trouble may occur just like on
the streets and in clubs.

Them Milwall and Newcastle fans will now be banned for 3 years(or for life if its a 2nd/3rd incident) that will get rid of another load of hooligans.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

You are absolutely deluded if you think that hooliganism will ever return to what it was like in the 70's and 80's.

The fact that these two incidents have been highlighted so much when they would not have even raised an eye brow back then tells you exactly what you need to know about FV in this day and age.

Highlighted doesn't mean stopped though Garrison? If more than one idiot had decided to run on the pitch when City played Crewe, could you have seen the trouble being put it out efficiently by the stewards? I don't think I could..

 

[fernandopartridge]

Obviously in the 1970's & 1980's this was a huge thing, but after Sunday's Tyne-Wear derby, Saturday's FA Cup Semi-Final and with a increase in idiotic Football fans (Not all Football fans), could the 70' & 80's be revisited?

No, the Millwall incident was an internal dispute, it just happened to be played out in front of a tv audience.

The Newcastle one is circumstantial.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I wanted to highlight today's youth, but it is a minority not the majority and most youngsters I see at the Ricoh are well behaved, but it only takes a few to get something started, I do agree with you though SBB I think we could go back to those day's, what actions are really in place nowadays to stop these issues inside grounds? More policing? Doesn't mean that will resolve things!

Were you born in 1990?

 

[Nick]

I think unless you were around back in the day you wouldn't know what it was like, I wasn't so don't know how bad it was.

I do remember being about 16 in a line for a ticket a HR when we played Sheffield United when one fella ran up and completely knocked the fella behind me out and then legged it. That is about as close as I have seen it.

Apart from the usual bellends who shout come on then and run (city fans against millwall) or the bus incident against preston when again the city bellends legged it from an old boy.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Were you born in 1990?

I would like to say you're very clever, but I feel my user name highlights this clearly, but the answer is a yes.

No, the Millwall incident was an internal dispute, it just happened to be played out in front of a tv audience.

The Newcastle one is circumstantial.

I realise the difference between the two, I suppose I can't comment on what it was like back in the 70's and 80's because I wasn't around, but my question would of been is there any chance that people might think this might hinder a potential of new generation of fans?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I think unless you were around back in the day you wouldn't know what it was like, I wasn't so don't know how bad it was.

I do remember being about 16 in a line for a ticket a HR when we played Sheffield United when one fella ran up and completely knocked the fella behind me out and then legged it. That is about as close as I have seen it.

Apart from the usual bellends who shout come on then and run (city fans against millwall) or the bus incident against preston when again the city bellends legged it from an old boy.

No I get your point mate, neither was I in fact.

Okay well that sounds... Er polite!!

Yeah now that is just funny to watch!

 

[fernandopartridge]

I would like to say you're very clever, but I feel my user name highlights this clearly, but the answer is a yes.



I realise the difference between the two, I suppose I can't comment on what it was like back in the 70's and 80's because I wasn't around, but my question would of been is there any chance that people might think this might hinder a potential of new generation of fans?

Today's youth

That did make me laugh in the context of your year of birth

 

[RoboCCFC90]

That did make me laugh in the context of your year of birth

Yes well like I said many fans of my age know how to behave themselves and do accordingly, there are a few though who don't and think this sort of violence is big and hard! I am probably considered due to my age, to be in today's youth, but thankfully I do not act like some people of my age.

 

[ccfc92]

Yes well like I said many fans of my age know how to behave themselves and do accordingly, there are a few though who don't and think this sort of violence is big and hard! I am probably considered due to my age, to be in today's youth, but thankfully I do not act like some people of my age.

Don't lie Robo

 

[LastGarrison]

Highlighted doesn't mean stopped though Garrison? If more than one idiot had decided to run on the pitch when City played Crewe, could you have seen the trouble being put it out efficiently by the stewards? I don't think I could..

The Millwall one was an argument over a seat or something stupid like that, than then escalated. Unless you have a steward standing next to every person you are never going to be able to stop it.

In the same context as your example against Crewe, unless you have an overwhelming amount of stewards and police you would never be able to stop it if masses decided to charge on the pitch. Fact is that in this day and age it is highly and I mean highly unlikely that it would happen. This is why both the football club and the police have high risk games and low risk games to take these things into account.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Don't lie Robo

The one person who knows me to well

 

[RoboCCFC90]

The Millwall one was an argument over a seat or something stupid like that, than then escalated. Unless you have a steward standing next to every person you are never going to be able to stop it.

In the same context as your example against Crewe, unless you have an overwhelming amount of stewards and police you would never be able to stop it if masses decided to charge on the pitch. Fact is that in this day and age it is highly and I mean highly unlikely that it would happen. This is why both the football club and the police have high risk games and low risk games to take these things into account.

That's a bit extreme I highlighted the stewards at the Milwall game because there are some people who believed Stewards didn't do enough like evict certain individuals from the ground when they were known to be smoking. No matter the reason for the escalation its wrong.

Agreed to a certain extent on the Crewe game, my question is this if one person can make it on to the pitch and not be chased by security guards for at least two minutes then is there a certain amount of worry that this sitation may end up being three people next time?

 

[Nick]

Surely the stewards are there to watch the crowd though and the bit between the stand and the advertising board is like no mans land? Surely if they see a fan jump onto there they should be watching the fans so should spot it and stop them?

It doesn't help that at the ricoh 75% of them are way too unfit and overweight and couldn't catch a cold.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Surely the stewards are there to watch the crowd though and the bit between the stand and the advertising board is like no mans land? Surely if they see a fan jump onto there they should be watching the fans so should spot it and stop them?

It doesn't help that at the ricoh 75% of them are way too unfit and overweight and couldn't catch a cold.

It does sound unbelievably simple doesn't it?

Although most of the times they're is not enough people at the Ricoh for crowd trouble..

 

[Nick]

The rule should be that if you step onto that no mans land without permission you should have play british bulldog to get past the stewards who happen to be cage fighters, then if you get past them it should be the pack of dogs.

That would make it entertaining.

 

[NottsCov]

The rule should be that if you step onto that no mans land without permission you should have play british bulldog to get past the stewards who happen to be cage fighters, then if you get past them it should be the pack of dogs.

That would make it entertaining.

I remember when British Bulldog got banned at my school, happiest day of my life!

 

[RoboCCFC90]

The rule should be that if you step onto that no mans land without permission you should have play british bulldog to get past the stewards who happen to be cage fighters, then if you get past them it should be the pack of dogs.

That would make it entertaining.

Forget the Football I want to see that!!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We can look at all the specifics in every situation & hypothesise on all the general issues involved too but we come back to the same AGE OLD natural tendency for tribal instinct (yes - even within groups of the same Club's fans), testosterone, alcohol-fuelled bravado & safety in numbers. It is & has long been a societal problem across age, education, class, social standing do not seem to enter into it. They want to be associated with football because of its profile - & equally weak-minded individuals can be found more easily. Bit like town/city centres most Friday/Saturday nights.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

We can look at all the specifics in every situation & hypothesise on all the general issues involved too but we come back to the same AGE OLD natural tendency for tribal instinct (yes - even within groups of the same Club's fans), testosterone, alcohol-fuelled bravado & safety in numbers. It is & has long been a societal problem across age, education, class, social standing do not seem to enter into it. They want to be associated with football because of its profile - & equally weak-minded individuals can be found more easily. Bit like town/city centres most Friday/Saturday nights.

Absolutely, I am not sure it can ever be stamped out, but could it ever get worse? I suppose we all wonder that glorious question..

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

The bald headed fat guy that punched the horse at Newcastle, could face a custodial sentence. The horse is classed as a police officer, and as such, a little time at "Her Majesty's Pleasure" might be called for:slap:

 

[RoboCCFC90]

And we think our hooliganism is bad over here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/world-cup/22156991

"Two Football supporters have been shot dead by rival fans in Brazil"

Makes Milwall on Saturday look like Kindergarten..

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Assault of a police officer is punishable by up to 6 months imprisonment, and obstruction by up to 1 month imprisonment.

West Yorkshire Police has 18 horses in its mounted section, which it uses to police football matches up and down the country and for ceremonial occasions, according to the force’s website.
Bud has policed many football matches and recently helped with crowd control at an English Defence League demonstration, the force added.
Yesterday, Chief Superintendent Steve Neill, of Northumbria Police, said action would be taken against those involved in the disturbance.








Good enough!

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Maybe the bloke thought it was his wife he was punching?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Absolutely, I am not sure it can ever be stamped out, but could it ever get worse? I suppose we all wonder that glorious question..

I think it could easily get worse. There will be some that jump on the bandwagon because they want their 15mins of fame (all be it at best 5secs on TV, 1hr in court & a lifetime of "somebody else's fault I am frowned upon by society in general") & bugger the consequences, those wih very limited intellect with the same 70-80s theme of "our fans are worse/harder (or is it just more nutters?) than theirs" or maybe even spurred on by my generations claim that it was worse then.
Ask any victim (past or present) & I suspect they'll say that being on the receiving end is terrible & for those already affected in the present - it probably couldn't get any worse.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Maybe the bloke thought it was his wife he was punching?

Or maybe thought he was preparing his dinner?

More seriously though...he is maybe bricking it at the moment waiting for the knock on the door - but his ilk will maybe hold him in high esteem & he will become some folklore hero. The sad thing being that a. The horse was in no way expecting the punch b. had no fists to hit him back & even if it had was under control of the cop on its back (& let's face it - they are trained very well...horse & rider) c. The guy is both an idiot & a coward

 

[Ashdown1]

These incidents have been termed football hooliganism because they happened around football stadiums but really it was just a form of social unrest to a large extent. Where else do you get large gatherings of predominantly working class blokes who've maybe had a few sherberts.