The idea that just because we are in the premier league we shouldnt expect more (1 Viewer)

[Skyblueabo1111]

So many overreactions to Saturday

Our main problem is that a front 3 of BTA, Cherif and Sakamoto is not going to cut it in the prem, and we just looked unlikely to score.

Outside of that it was a very tight game with little chances for both sides, and settled by one great piece of play by Bobb where Rudoni has ended up defending 1v1 in our own box.

I trust Lampard to sort whatever is going on personnel wise and I think we can field much more dangerous from 3s than that.

Can't see Lampard changing it. He has his favourites.

 

[Grendel]

Can't see Lampard changing it. He has his favourites.

What do these favourites do - give him an apple after training? He is an international footballer and a manager for a few years now. He is not going to jeopardise his job and reputation by just picking players as he has a laugh with him after games.

 

[Grendel]

Never really got the 'just enjoy it' thing. What is supposed to be enjoyable, seeing us lose every week? Everything about the matchday experience has gone backwards, the price of everything has gone up, the football we're playing is not just seeing us lose its boring as fuck.

People need to stop making excuses for them every game. If its not a 'free hit' its 'they're better than the position they're in'. The whole atmosphere around the club is be grateful to be here like we're on some sort of make-a-wish day out.

How many games are we going to write off? If we lose to Sunderland on Saturday will it be 'position in the table is false' again?

I would enjoy it more if we put a performance in. Its one thing to come away from games having lost but battled, we're just rolling over at the moment.

Hull and Fulham were both winnable games both on paper and based on the performance they put in on the day. We've lost both with a whimper.

When we went up I completely expected a relegation battle, and can accept going down, but what is the point of waiting 25 years if we're not going to give it a go. We've spent more money than we've ever spent and half of them don't even make the squad let alone get on the pitch.

I have seen us last time in the top filght lose far more than win and thats going to be the reality even if we stay up for 2 or 3 seasons as Sunderland are now finding.

People keep saying "give it a go". What we actually need to do is not give goals away. A point against Fulham and against Hull would put us out the drop zone. We need to draw a lot of narrow games and not lose them. Try and attack and we will get blown away every week. A nil nil on Saturday would have been fine. Attacking teams and getting destroyed is not going to make anyone happy.

Hull is the one poor performance where we under achieved on outcome but they show they can scrape results which we need to do

 

[Evo1883]

Onyeka 10 mill cant get a start
Gboho 15 mill cant get a start
Tchaouna 20 mill cant make the squad
Hamer 6-8 mill playing u21s coming on right wing when we need a goal


The mismanagement of this side is crazy and if we lose to sunderland then questions need to be asked

Would be 7 losses in 9 .. thats dreadful

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

What do these favourites do - give him an apple after training? He is an international footballer and a manager for a few years now. He is not going to jeopardise his job and reputation by just picking players as he has a laugh with him after games.

No idea Grendel, he keeps picking them, you tell me. You watched that game Saturday and thought it was good, ok, acceptable?

 

[skybluecam]

Can't see Lampard changing it. He has his favourites.

nonsense, 6/7 players have been given opportunities in the front 3

 

[Evo1883]

nonsense, 6/7 players have been given opportunities in the front 3

Tchaouna has had about 120 minutes in the league , gboho 0

 

[Grendel]

No idea Grendel, he keeps picking them, you tell me. You watched that game Saturday and thought it was good, ok, acceptable?

I did if we had not conceded the goal I would have considered it a good result

 

[Evo1883]

I did if we had not conceded the goal I would have considered it a good result

We were poor and we did concede

 

[skybluecam]

Tchaouna has had about 120 minutes in the league , gboho 0

He’s had 213, didn’t do much in that time. And Lampard has clearly suggested there are attitude issues with those two.

 

[Evo1883]

He’s had 213, didn’t do much in that time. And Lampard has clearly suggested there are attitude issues with those two.

Asante and EMC have torn it up in fairness

I like both players but neither have been good enough so far either

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

I did if we had not conceded the goal I would have considered it a good result

We were dreadful.

 

[Tommo1993]

No confidence in the multimillion £ signings.

Regular team devoid of quality and ideas.

What a mess, can only imagine King is steaming from the ears.

 

[Jamieb87ccfc]

Asante and EMC have torn it up in fairness

I like both players but neither have been good enough so far either

Guessing you meant haven’t. EMC was one I really thought would kick on but looks a shadow of last season, low confidence, can’t beat his man and crosses are poor.

 

[Evo1883]

Guessing you meant haven’t. EMC was one I really thought would kick on but looks a shadow of last season, low confidence, can’t beat his man and crosses are poor.

I agree , But both wide players are being asked to defend first and foremost , i get we need to stay compact etc but there its all so passive and turgid and then a long ball up to a 19 year old striker.. shite

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

nonsense, 6/7 players have been given opportunities in the front 3

Very limited minutes. It isn't nonsense. If you are happy with what you saw Saturday, fair play to you. I never expected it to be easy and always thought a good chance we go down, but not playing like this. Hull and Ipswich are giving it a go. We set up from the first minute, looking to scrape a point.

 

[Dickie]

One of the most worrying things is that we don’t seem to be able to salvage a draw. Once behind, we’re fucked. Fulham is the perfect example. Concede after 80 mins and have no clue what to do.

 

[Grendel]

We were dreadful.

Just bollocks - you clearly never watched us in the early 80's and 90'swhen we had to just scrape out games with dire performances but a draw or a scrappy 1 - nil

Honestly if I was Lampard I would do a "fans choice" game

Start KKH, Mfuni in midfield, Hamer, Simms, Tchouana, Ghobo, Top and see what happens.

I know what will happen.

 

[Username Required]

If he keeps the same team and system I think a few tweaks would help us:
Grimes, turn and face forward immediately when recieving the ball under no pressure.
JDS, swing a cross in sometimes with your left foot instead of cutting it back.
EMC, take your man to the line
MVE, practice crossing
Long throw, don't use it when its raining and you cant get purchase on the ball
Yirenki move up the pitch as soon as we regain possesion
Cut backs, have someone running on to balls cut back to the penalty spot.
DMs, stop sitting on the edge of our own box
Block the cross at source and close people down quicker.
Grimes, stop coming back and recieving the ball off defence if all you are going to do is pass it back to them.
Take some shots from outside the box.
BTA, work on your first touch
Simms, make yourself undroppable
Bobby, get better soon!

Do all that and we'll have the title in the bag by easter.

 

[Dickie]

Very limited minutes. It isn't nonsense. If you are happy with what you saw Saturday, fair play to you. I never expected it to be easy and always thought a good chance we go down, but not playing like this. Hull and Ipswich are giving it a go. We set up from the first minute, looking to scrape a point.

Hull gave Brentford a good game yesterday especially in the first half. Organised press, aggressive and gave them no time on the ball.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

Just bollocks - you clearly never watched us in the early 80's and 90'swhen we had to just scrape out games with dire performances but a draw or a scrappy 1 - nil

Honestly if I was Lampard I would do a "fans choice" game

Start KKH, Mfuni in midfield, Hamer, Simms, Tchouana, Ghobo, Top and see what happens.

I know what will happen.

Been watching since the late 60s , as a young lad, with my dad. Wish he would to be honest, I can guarantee you would see a better display than Saturday.

 

[skybluecam]

Very limited minutes. It isn't nonsense. If you are happy with what you saw Saturday, fair play to you. I never expected it to be easy and always thought a good chance we go down, but not playing like this. Hull and Ipswich are giving it a go. We set up from the first minute, looking to scrape a point.

Obviously I'm not happy to see us lose but some of the criticism is so lazy.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

Obviously I'm not happy to see us lose but some of the criticism is so lazy.

Just want us to give it a go, not yet and contain from first minute. I don't think it is lazy criticism. which bit in that post, exactly?

 

[skybluecam]

Asante and EMC have torn it up in fairness

I like both players but neither have been good enough so far either

if you take him at face value about the attitude issues then what do you suggest he does?

And with Gboho I'm sure we'll see plenty of him, but joining late and being away on intl duty won't have worked in his favour.

 

[skybluecam]

Just want us to give it a go, not yet and contain from first minute. I don't think it is lazy criticism. which bit in that post, exactly?

as lazy as it gets

 

[Evo1883]

if you take him at face value about the attitude issues then what do you suggest he does?

And with Gboho I'm sure we'll see plenty of him, but joining late and being away on intl duty won't have worked in his favour.

Well he made the squad saturday and sat and watched gus hamer play right wing when we needed a goal , at this point if feels like frank is just testing him .. to our detriment

 

[skybluecam]

Well he made the squad saturday and sat and watched gus hamer play right wing when we needed a goal , at this point if feels like frank is just testing him .. to our detriment

pretty sure Hamer played central and Rudoni went wide didn't he?

 

[Evo1883]

pretty sure Hamer played central and Rudoni went wide didn't he?

Sorry yes you are correct , however we look at this it doesnt get better

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

as lazy as it gets

Okay we'll carry on doing the same things and getting the same results! Got it!

 

[skybluecam]

Sorry yes you are correct , however we look at this it doesnt get better

I’m just not sure what’s so bad about it all. 6 points from 8 games isn’t disastrous. If we win on Saturday it’s a decent return again.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

pretty sure Hamer played central and Rudoni went wide didn't he?

4 minutes, doesn't really matter, where he went. Why would you put anyone on for 4 minutes? Unless defending a slender lead.

 

[Evo1883]

I’m just not sure what’s so bad about it all. 6 points from 8 games isn’t disastrous. If we win on Saturday it’s a decent return again.

6 points from every 8 games will see us relegated , so it is not where we need to be , frank will know this .. the fulham and hull games have hurt us badly

 

[Sick Boy]

Just bollocks - you clearly never watched us in the early 80's and 90'swhen we had to just scrape out games with dire performances but a draw or a scrappy 1 - nil

Honestly if I was Lampard I would do a "fans choice" game

Start KKH, Mfuni in midfield, Hamer, Simms, Tchouana, Ghobo, Top and see what happens.

I know what will happen.

Add Wilson in goal as well.

 

[skybluecam]

6 points from every 8 games will see us relegated , so it is not where we need to be , frank will know this .. the fulham and hull games have hurt us badly

28/29 points (0.75ppg) would've kept us up in 2 of the last 3 seasons... but yes we do need more, unlike some/most I'm prepared to give Frank more than 8 games before writing him off.

 

[Evo1883]

28/29 points (0.75ppg) would've kept us up in 2 of the last 3 seasons... but yes we do need more, unlike some/most I'm prepared to give Frank more than 8 games before writing him off.

Most people are questioning the use of his signings and the style of play , not many are asking for change at all